My latest poem, If I Told You, is empowering by rousing up a purpose of enquiry leading the individual down a fresh and unabated path of study and revelation. The poem for me, challenges many conventional beliefs and ideas regarding the origin of humanity, civilisation and philosophy especially those rooted in African history. As the piece progresses the tone moves away from historical and political, adopting a more personal temper through honesty and Truth that we all feel and experience at some point in our lives. As with much of my work I try to operate around the idea of Truth and combine the multiple ways in which it can be conveyed.
A full reading list which accompanies the piece can be seen at www.anthonyanaxagorou.com, but please listen to the poem first:
If I Told You
What if I told you that all life is African?
What if I told you that the oldest human culture developed in Katanda Congo,
or what if I told you that the Ethiopian Australopithecus known as Lucy
is also known as Dinquinesh?
What if I told you that every Black face is the descendent of an Ancient Egyptian,
or that no country has as many pyramids as Sudan?
What if I spoke about the library in Kemet and Alexander’s pillaging of knowledge,
the burning of books, of culture and philosophy?
What if I told you that the Vikings were the most pre-eminent slave owners,
and that the 11th century saw Dublin as the slave capital of the world?
Would you believe me if I told you that white people enslaved their own kind first,
Or that St Patrick was a run-away slave – a drapetomaniac?
What If I told you that Pythagoras was taught by some smooth faced Egyptians,
as was Thales and Anaxamander?
What if I explained Egyptian Mystery Schools to you?
What if I told you all great European philosophers were trained by Black Africans in Ionia,
or what if I told you what Herodotus said about the Colchians?
What if I told you what Ghandi said about Western Civilisation?
What if I told you about Europe’s dark ages in comparison to the empires of Mali and Kush – what if you knew about Abubakari II?
What if I told you that Columbus never stepped foot on American soil
and that Africans were navigating the globe with papyrus-reed ships in 2600BC?
What if you knew about Cheop boats and that Europeans
didn’t have a concept for latitude and longitude until the 18th century?
What if I told you that racism was invented?
What if I told you that we only ever oppress those who are powerful?
What if I told you that in the 16th and 17th century white indentured servants and
black slaves fought subjugation together?
What if I told you about J.F Blumenbach and his obsession with racial purity and
white slave women?
What if you knew about David Walker’s Appeal?
What if I told you what Columbus said when he fist saw Arawak Indians in the
Bahamas?
What if I told you about the suggestion made by priest Bartolomé de Las Casas, then what if I told you how many lives were lost to the grin that swept across Columbus’s face?
What if I told you nothing has really changed and that racism is ever present?
What if I told you about that battle at Wounded Knee in 1890 and the massacre of
300 Native Americans with the Hotchkiss gun?
What if I told you that Native American’s today have a life expectancy
of 46?
What if I told you that the enemy is White supremacy?
What if I didn’t care about African history, or the genocide of indigenous people
and instead wrote poems about Winston Churchill, Thomas Jefferson
and Abraham Lincoln, and I refrained from talking about the 54 countries that make up the British commonwealth?
What if I told you that the abolition of slavery had nothing to do with philanthropy
but pure economics?
What if I told you religion has killed more people than it’s saved
and that nothing can buy you peace?
What if I told you that a teacher’s job is to help you understand what you already know?
What if I told you about freedom, what if I promoted violence instead of self-reliance?
What if I said everyone that looked like you was a killer, a bomber, a terrorist?
What if I told you that the media lies, that the news is censored that everything has an agenda?
What if I told you about Milton Frediman and the Chicago School of economics?
What if I told you about neo-liberalism?
What if I told you about Edward Bernays?
Or that since the invasion of Iraq 110,721 innocent civilians have died nameless
What if I told you about the systematic imprisonment of Black and Latino males in
America?
What if you knew the worth of every prison inmate?
What if I told you about Francis Galton and the eugenic movement?
What if I told you about NSSM 200?
And what if I quoted Emerson or Theroux and I worked on a building site,
or I knew that Shakespeare invented over 1700 words including the word
assassination?
What if I was reading The Apology on the bus ride to work
and work happened to be cleaning office toilets?
What if I was ugly but knew how to make her smile?
What if I told you that music is not popular but universal – intelligent noise
resonating from the soul of the universe?
What if I told you that in every bit of me is every bit of you?
What if I stopped writing for a second, or a week or a year would I miss something?
What if I told you that love is forgiveness breathing and every man wants to be held
as tightly as every woman does?
What if I told you that we all want to be wanted
and that cruelty is how weak men respond to fear?
What if I told you that the hardest man I’d ever known loved me the most?
What if I told you the first time I punched someone I felt strong but the crying I
did that night introduced me to a weakness I’d never felt before?
What if I told you that the first time I kissed a girl an earthquake found my legs
and that each time I get my heart broken I become a better poet?
What if I told you that a single act of genius is the result of a thousand failures,
and that every master knew nothing at the start?
What if I told you I believe in you, in your heart and your life?
What if I told you that the greatest gift I ever received was being told I can?
What if I told you that you wrote this?
Now
what if I never told you?
There’s so much speculation, at best, in this poem it’s hard to know where to start.
“What if I told you that all life is African?”
All life is ‘African’? What a bizarre statement. I assume this relates to the idea that the first human remains were claimed to have been found in Africa (until the next find). Of course this relies almost entirely on the *theory* of evolution. A theory that is full of holes to say the least. It wasn’t until I researched the subject of intelligent design that I saw the theory of evolution for what it is.
“What if I told you that every Black face is the descendent of an Ancient Egyptian.”
Highly debatable and not supported by the facts which appear to show that Egypt was a multiracial society with the majority being somewhere in between black and white.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2mo78ua.jpg
From left to right, Libyan, Nubian, Persian, and Egyptian
Seriously though, this is just playing into the hands of the PTB that seek to create easily manipulated dialectics such as ‘black’ and ‘white’. Try thinking in terms of Egyptian, Nubian, Libyan, Persian or any other ethnic grouping instead.
‘What if I told you that the enemy is White supremacy?’
What if I told you that the enemy is the Luciferian occultism that is systematically destroying all ‘white’ nations with mass immigration and state enforced multiculturalism. Really, this statement smacks of the very racism I presume it is supposed to address. Our enemy has many skin colours.
“What if I told you that the Vikings were the most pre-eminent slave owners.”
I haven’t seen the figures but I’m sure the Muslims would give them a run for their money. Whilst we’re on the subject and seeing as this poem has a distinctly pro-African bias, let’s not forget that, with regards to African slavery, the enslavers themselves were Africans.
“What if I told you religion has killed more people than it’s saved”
What if I said that the same controlling elite merely used religion as a convenient foil and whilst some religions do advocate the use of violence (Islam) others specifically teach against it (Christianity – and I don’t mean the Roman catholic pagan counterfeit).
“What if I explained Egyptian Mystery Schools to you?”
Babylon relocated? Luciferian sun worship?
… and so on.
What if I said I didn’t understand the point of this poem?
Hello Harry
I totally agree with you on the ‘black’ part and pointed this out too…
What if I was to tell you the Roman Empire was created by the fallen Egyptians, and in fact it was these bastards who came up with the principles of corporate and democratic supremacy?
But the sentiment of the poem is much greater than the facts themselves, which is why it’s up and live.
@Harry
While I take your point that a number of lines in this poem are contentious, isn’t that the entire point? The very core of our historical reference is questionable, yet rarely questioned by those fed the pages. I mean, think how the war in Iraq will be written about in pro-American or anti American textbooks in years to come – whatever those two terms mean….that is a separate debate.
For you to say that you “don’t see the point” brings into question your proficiency as a self-proclaimed historian. I confess to knowing little about the majority of the topics covered, but even an uneducated fool could see that the point of the poem is to encourage people to look beyond the curriculum, as it were. To look outside the euro-centric point of view and say, ” hang on, let me read beyond the conventional reading list and see if there is more to this”.
I would have thought readers of lawful rebellion would get right behind such a positive and proactive way to encourage the masses to expand their minds and examine history and how it has shaped the world we live in today. The poet is saying, “What if I told you”, not “I am telling you”. Sadly I think it is you that has missed the point here.
Interesting comments. I didn’t read the poem though (yet).
I have a background in science and I have got Dawkin’s non God bashing books. Great reads but unfortunately the more I understand about the NWO agenda the more I discover that Darwin and his cult of followers was just another front man for eugenics (Elitist Social Darwinism) picked by the Royal Society (an exclusive Malthusian Masonic society) to indoctrinate people with psuedo eugenics science.
The more I read about religion the more I find it is very corrupt and infultrated by evil bastards doing the bidding of the control establishement. I’m sure Jesus never wanted to be another Son of God (SUN GOD), Virgin Birth, Ressurection, and all the other Esotric nonsense when he did his good deeds for humanity (as per the Exotric meaning from the Holy Bible).
Who can ya trust ey? Easy!. Start thinking for yourself and start critically thinking about the propaganda control That’s what Jesus did, before the Roman control freaks hijacked his message and turned it into their own tool for mind control of he masses.
My heros before I woke up… Dawkins, Attenbourgh, Lovelock… <= devious assholes!
Outlaw1
Oh incase my comments seem out of context. I didn’t read the poem. I’m going off what the previous commentators wrote about religion, sun worship and the ancient Egyptian / Roman (and other empires that rely on enslaving mankind) with mind control over the masses mixed with theory of evolution vs intelligent design.
Understand that Dawkin’s is an establishment shill. A very clever one peddling his malthusian eugenics agenda under left cover of biological natural selection. Lovelock is a GAIA loving human hater along with human population reduction scum David Attenbourgh.
See the more you understand the NWO and the whole culture creation propaganda industry you find that these “old heros” are just shitty elitists who want the slaves to be killed off.
Outlaw1
From what I see, this poem is only shocking because it blatantly challenges the Eurocentric history that many are taught and provides an alternate perspective with regards to Egypt and Africa.
However many of his points I have found can be backed up with historical research and he is just bringing the focus to another culture which has previously not been acknowledged in the development of modern thinking and phylosophies- Namely Egypt. For example the Greeks are lauded for their initial attempts at government and “civilization” which modern western society has been built upon – as broken as the system is. The point is it does make a difference to a person of African descent to know that their history involves far more than starting off as slaves and savages in the jungles of Africa. I think this is why he chooses to focus on certain historical aspects over others.
Keep in mind this is a poem, not an exhaustive thesis on the history and socioeconomic and religious themes of the globe. Through it the poet is bringing to light certain little-known facts mixed in with his personal opinions which is perfectly acceptable. Take it or leave it. That’s how it goes with poetry.
I have found it inspiring and have taken pleasure in researching (using reliable academic sources) many of the points he mentions and learning about aspects of history that I had not previously been taught. And this (in answer to the first commenter’s final question) is the point of the poem.
From the poem
“What if I told you that the abolition of slavery had nothing to do with philanthropy
but pure economics?” TRUE
BUT
Slavery still continues today. The physical chain was replaced with a virtual chain of mind control and rules of law that only the slaves obey. They tricked the slaves to believe they were free by giving them very limited freedoms and the illusion of democracy. To vote the last bad bunch out, but fall back into the trap… ‘The Government always gets back in, and the same old slave game continues” 😉
Anyone that filled in that Census form doesn’t know they are a slave, anyone that pays a TV license then sits down infront of a machine built to brianwash the masses with subliminal neural content designed by clever psychologist who are following their masters script.
“What If I told you that Pythagoras was taught by some smooth faced Egyptians,
as was Thales and Anaxamander?
What if I explained Egyptian Mystery Schools to you?” TRUE
When people wake up and wonder what Plato and his greek buddies were really talking about was freedom for the few elites and total slavery for everyone else. This is why so many of the global elites a such fans of classical greek philosophy.
The Exoteric meanings is for the slaves, the people that reside in Platos cave (US)
The Esoteric meaning is for the masters, the scholars of the mystery schools (THEM)
This con game has been going on for thousands of years. It’s all about slavery and mind control over the weak minded slaves. All the organised religions have been invented by con artists to make slaves of the masses.
The sick psychopathic scumbags that rule the world believe they are the GODS and they have the power over man. Free men are the ones that break the control over their minds by these degenerates and seek true higher meaning. Jesus was one of the few *human* (not God) individuals that understood the slavery of man by these humanity rapists.
I kind of follow what the poem is getting at. But I prefer poems that start with “Roses are Red, Violets are… and lot’s of fun rude words that rhyme 😉
Once we break the slave chains we will get closer to the true meaning of life.
Outlaw1
Whilst I’d agree that our history, in fact all history, is carefully filtered, hidden or distorted by those with a hidden agenda it was the general thrust of the poem that I took issue with. Aside from the fact that many of the points hinted at, but not elaborated on, are contentious, it seemed to me that the author was attempting to make a point that in itself was quite wrong. As such this wasn’t merely an exercise in trying to make us question history (which is fine) but more series of blatant assertions (carefully hidden in the question format) trying to make a rather clumsy point (amongst others) about ‘racism’.
The problem was never ALL ‘white’ people, it is and always has been, the ruling oligarchical ‘elite’. That same ‘elite’ is now in the process of creating their new Tower of Babel that will see us all subjugated and enslaved regardless of skin colour. The majority of people in Britain, for much of its history, were serfs or vassals, in essence little more than slaves. This was extended into the industrial revolution when the workers were forced off the land into terrible living and working conditions. The Reverend J. Stephens at a church meeting in Crampton, in the middle of the nineteenth century, in reference to the awful conditions that his parishioners laboured under, stated that they “would rather be a slave in South Carolina than a factory operative in England.” I’m writing an article at the moment on this very subject so rather than continue maybe I’ll post a link when I’m finished. The point though is that this poem feeds the very divide and rule that is one of the reasons behind mass immigration and the subsequent creation of ‘racial problems’.
Sorry if I seem a little uncharitable where this poem is concerned but I’m afraid I really didn’t like it for a number of reasons.
The format of the poem in the style of a number of questions could, I suppose, be read in two ways. Either a ‘what if’, as suggested, or the more likely ”statement of fact’ that I think the overall theme of the poem seems to bear out. The individual questions, largely, accumulate to this key point which is that of ‘white’ racism and the subsequent suppression of ‘black’ culture. I could write a whole essay on this and also many of the other points in the poem that I took issue with, but time is short etc.
My main gripe is how the poet, as have many others, has fallen into the carefully prepared black/white dialectic that has been created by the elite controllers of our society. This is done for many reasons and plays out in an equal number of ways. Falling for this makes the author try and force Egyptian culture and history under a blanket title of ‘black’ whereas a more nuanced view would be just Egyptian. Why even try and bring skin colour into it? Even worse we then get the, quite frankly, racist assertion that ‘the enemy is white supremacy’. Swiss? Swedish? Czech? What exactly is meant by this? Identifying someone as either ‘black’ or ‘white’ merely makes it easier to denigrate that person, or worse. As I said, the European peoples, including the English, are presently being, quite literally, destroyed as part of the New World Order agenda. Check the UN definition of genocide and you’ll see that this current process ticks every box.
The problem was never ALL ‘white’ people, it is and always has been, the ruling oligarchical ‘elite’. That same ‘elite’ is now in the process of creating their new Tower of Babel that will see us all subjugated and enslaved regardless of skin colour. The majority of people in Britain, for much of its history, were serfs or vassals, in essence little more than slaves. This was extended into the industrial revolution when the workers were forced off the land into terrible living and working conditions. The Reverend J. Stephens at a church meeting in Crampton, in the middle of the nineteenth century, in reference to the awful conditions that his parishioners laboured under, stated that they “would rather be a slave in South Carolina than a factory operative in England.” I’m writing an article at the moment on this very subject so rather than continue maybe I’ll post a link when I’m finished. The point though is that this poem feeds the very divide and rule that is one of the reasons behind mass immigration and the subsequent creation of ‘racial problems’.
Sorry if I seem a little uncharitable where this poem is concerned but I’m afraid I really didn’t like it for a number of reasons.
PS At least I managed to get my name right the second time.
PPS Outlaw1 – all the ‘sun god’ symbolism and much more was as a result of the paganisation (is that a word?) of Christianity by the Roman church. Non of it is in the Bible.
Apologies for the distorted comment. My initial attempts at posting failed. I received a message saying something about cookies and Java (I think) not being on (they were) so I tried to split the post in two with, as you can see, dubious results. The last section, which is in the second comment, has somehow got in the middle of the first comment. Hopefully you’ll get the gist of what I was trying to say.
PPS Outlaw1 – all the ‘sun god’ symbolism and much more was as a result of the paganisation (is that a word?) of Christianity by the Roman church. Non of it is in the Bible.
I have the 1909 J.R. Dummlow “The One-Volume Bible Commentary” but it still dosn’t explain the real meaning behind the Esoteric agenda (published by one of the establishment gate keepers). Why was Jesus christ M.O. the same as Horus (that’s the all seeing eye of the pyramid capstone on all those evil NWO Illuminati graphics for those here that don’t know) 😉
It’s all a big lie, the whole of history is distorted and managed, it’s “HIS-STORY” get it? The one who conquers controls the world gets to write the *History* 😉
Jesus was probably the most important MAN to have ever existed. Let’s forget all the Messiahs before him and Messiahs that came after him. Jesus was the man selected for “HIS-STORY” because his real message of freedom and individuality gave the slaves hope of salvation. The Roman scum used the freemans message of hope to create a new control system empire as their old empire disintegrated under the weight of his truth. The elite controllers had to stop the spread of the real freedom message and manage it, hence THEY gave us more man made religions.
I think the peom is telling us that HIS-STORY is just one version of real History. The given authorised History is just used to give us a reality, so to keep us off guard about the real agenda.
If people don’t wake up to the real reality they will be exterminated as the useless eaters not wanted by the New World Order system we are going into. 99.9% of the 6+ billion people have got no idea what is planned for them, as written in stone on the Georgia Guildstones. 6+ billion humans to be exterminated by the controlling elites. We are witnessing the UN world government takeover before our very eyes as sovereign countries are being dismantled and resources given to the ruling elites.
All the evidence is out in the open, people need to take their blinkers off, wake up and fight for their very existence. Don’t rely on the Gnostic Esoteric book of Revelation and wait for salvation. Humans can only save themselves by fighting for freedom.
I believe there is a universal creator (God if you like) and he has given us a conscious mind to see the truth as individuals and to fight for our freedom as a collective of decent humans. (see through the lies of our deceptive captors)
Outlaw1
p.s. I recommend Alan Watt who explains the peril we face at the hands of the New World Order if we don’t take action now.
Alright Outlaw1. I’m a bit puzzled by your statement:
“Why was Jesus christ M.O. the same as Horus (that’s the all seeing eye of the pyramid capstone on all those evil NWO Illuminati graphics for those here that don’t know)”
Also, I’m not aware of any other historical figure that claimed to be the Messiah other than Jesus. Who did you have in mind?
I do quite like Watt but he does promote the ‘Zeitgeist/Icke/Theosophic’ Jesus was a sun god like Horus/Mithra/Dionysus deception.
I’m still trying to make my mind up on Biblical prophecy (it’s not just the Book of Revelation, not by along way).
@Revolution Harry
The easiest to point out is the Messiah part.
Just a few from the Jewish list of Messiahs.
Simon of Peraea,
Athronges,
Menahem ben Judah,
Vespasian,
Simon bar Kokhba,
Moses of Crete,
Ishak ben Ya’kub Obadiah Abu ‘Isa al-Isfahani,
Serene,
David Alroy,
Nissim ben Abraham,
etc etc etc
I won’t print the huge list from the Christian Messiahs, the Muslim Messiahs (Mahdi) and the other sub-groups because the lists would go on and on. The huge lists of historical Messiahs can be looked up if people are that interested. Maybe even research the books on the top 100 Messiahs, or compare and contrast Messiahs claims and features. A pack of playing cards could be made up from the fifty+ prominent Jewish Messiah’s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants
The Horus Jesus thing is more contentious. A quick Google will show millions of references and a lot of heated debate. Now if you want to go deeper you will have to go into the Eye of Horus mystery schools (as mentioned in the poem). The left eye of Horus school, the right eye of Horus school, and more of the Egyptian mystery schools etc. Eventually this leads into the early Illuminati’s, the Rosicrucians. (the nice population reduction people – of Georgia Guidestones fame)
And throughout Esotric christianity (mystic occult christianity) we keep running into the pyramid and the eye of Horus. Take Mount Ecclesia’s Healing Temple as an example.
And the more you dig the deep the rabbit hole goes…
Lamb of God
Fisher of Men (Fisher King) King Ar-tur
12 zodiac (disciples) Knights of the round table
etc etc
All part of the Esoteric christianity out of the Egyptian mystery schools (thousands of years ago). There are lots of books on the subject and plenty of high degree Masons that give hints and clues of what the Esoteric secrets might be.
Outlaw1
As mentioned in the poem.
What If I told you that Pythagoras was taught by some smooth faced Egyptians,
as was Thales and Anaxamander?
What if I explained Egyptian Mystery Schools to you?
This is reference to the Pythagoras triangle, which comes from the mystery schools and the study of control of man. (back to slavery)
3 (Trivium), 4 (Quadrivium), 5 (Senses) Triangle (another pyramid reference?)
The Trividuim: (Language) constructs in the mind Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric
The Quadrivium: (Mathematics) The study of number (Arithmetic), number in space (Geometry), number in time (Music), number in space/time (Astonomy)
The 5 Senses: H,S,F,S,T
These Iluminati have been controlling the slaves for thousands of years with mind control. They have studied how the mind works and used it to trick men out of their freedom. Religion is just another one of their tricks.
Outlaw1
Btw Harry I’m not attacking you personally, you can believe in anything you want. The closest thing I have got to a religion is a Uniterian belief in God.
“one who rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, asserts the unipersonality of God, and accepts the pre-eminence of Jesus Christ as a teacher”
Outlaw 1, there seems to be an incredible amount of purposeful disinformation surrounding Christianity. So much so I took the time to look into it for myself.
I see what you’re saying about the various ‘messiahs’ but from my research he was the only one who fulfilled all Biblical prophecy. Whoever he was his message proved so powerful that many thousands, if not more, chose death rather than deny his divinity, in the persecutions that took place in the years after his crucifixion. These persecutions took place before the Romans ‘paganised’ Christianity and created the counterfeit version that survives to this day in the Vatican.
On the Horus thing, that has been effectively debunked. See the Zeitgeist Challenge for more details, including two very good videos. Perhaps more interesting than that is the video of a conversation between Acharya S (a prominent espouser of the ‘Jesus as a sun god’ myth and Peter Joseph of Zeitgeist. Chris White of Nowhere To Run does a great job of exposing the utter paucity of evidence they have on this subject.
The ‘esoteric Christianity’ of the Egyptian Mystery Schools (the continuation of the ‘Mystery’ Babylonian system) you mention is what formed the basis of the Roman version of Christianity and in key elements subverts the true Christianity followed by the early Church and indeed found in the (non catholic) Bible.
I agree that religion is ‘one of their tricks’. That’s precisely why they had to violently suppress the early Christians. When that failed they had to use other methods one of which was to take control of Christianity, impose many pagan elements on it and to subtly undermine it. The message of Jesus,if nothing else, is completely antithetical to the Illuminati (call them what you will) in many important ways. That battle continues to this day which is why we are overwhelmed with anti-Christian propaganda in a way that isn’t true of other religions.
I had to ask myself why and in doing so I discovered so much about true Christianity that I never knew before. That investigation is continuing and all I’d say is be wary of falling for the hype. If nothing else true Christianity doesn’t deserve the derision, lies and yes persecution, it seems to be increasingly receiving.
http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/
The ‘real’ Zeitgeist Challenge debunked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knNjbWKwz8E
Did the Illuminati change the Bible?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0zpbcEpn8w
Cheers,
Harry.
One other thing. The ‘or else’ element of Christianity is predominantly found in the catholic version. There is no coercion in the message of Jesus. The choice is yours. That’s not to say that your choice doesn’t have consequences.
“…you can believe in anything you want.”
And here’s the rub. That should be true for everyone. The only reason it isn’t is because the new global system requires complete conformity in all things, religion included. Many talk of a ‘one world religion’ being part of the NWO. I suspect this isn’t quite what we’ll see. What we seem to be moving towards is an ‘ecumenical’ movement that seeks to unite the world’s religions around their shared or common roots. It should be no surprise that leading this movement is the Vatican. The fly in their ointment is true Christianity and in particular Jesus, hence the onslaught we’re seeing from all directions, including the ‘so called’ ‘truth movement’.
Here’s a taste of what I’m talking about.
http://rekindlingthereformation.com/S-deception-unity_Pope-John-Paul-world_religions.html
If you watch the video in the link note the illuminated Egyptian obelisk (sacred to Ra/Lucifer) that stands in the centre of St Peter’s Sq. It sits on a circle that itself is surrounded by a sun dial. These occult symbols are both sexual and indicative of the sun worship of the Papal system. One thing’s for sure, they are not Christian.
What if I told you that most this is poem is historical propaganda of the heart? What if I told you that racism is being blended into the much more critical issue of economic disparity? What if I told you that real bias is now economic, not racial.? What if I told you that wisest man of color I know recognizes this and only those living in the past do not?
Interesting points Harry. I don’t think I will be debating them *here* with you though. I think Lawful Rebellion site and my aggressive boarder line outlaw position aren’t really compatible as you’ve probably guessed 🙁
You have a very interesing site so I might contact you in private to give you my ernest opinion of where this is all heading and where it has come from, which will throw some light on the history mentioned in Anthony Anaxagorou poem.
Keep listening to Alan Watt, he’s one of the few commentators on the Internet that tells it straight and gives us the short cuts.
Outlaw1
Harry, there is a theory that all white people, with very few exceptions, are racist.
But not because of the color of their skin, but because of a lifetime of indoctrination through the media and education system. It is championed by the lady who devised theblue eyed, brown eyed experiment.
So there is always another level.
Ps Islam is a peaceful religion. But it is not a pacificst religion. It will always choose the
Path of peace over war when it can. And Christianity is also not a religion of pacifism, otherwise the ears of Romans would not have been ordered chopped off.
muslimanarchist – you say “all white people, with very few exceptions, are racist…because of a lifetime of indoctrination through the media and education system…”
so then, according to your words, white people are *not* inherently racist *without* the indoctrination – which essentially means that all people are not racist without indoctrination. Correct? Generalism really is a dangerous thing you know. As far as religion goes, it is my opinion that all are dead ends, and the only true form of ‘religion’ is actually spirituality… the inner spiritual guide found in us all, and the one which will take us on our own individual journey of self discovery which no book or preacher can prescribe.
Outlaw1, by all means get in touch.
Muslimanarchist (that’s a new one on me, how does that work?), it’s an interesting theory but I’m not sure it holds true. It seems to me that a ‘racist’ is anyone who doesn’t go along with the mass immigration and multiculturalism agenda of the New World Order ‘elites’. In short, it’s a stick to beat them with and a slur intended to both damage the recipient and to scare off others from speaking out on the subject. In my experience growing up in a multicultural city I’ve come across as much ‘racism’ from ethnic minorities as I have from ‘whites’.
It would be interesting to see how non ‘racist’ Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Iran would be were their inhabitants slowly becoming ethnic minorities in their own cities due to an influx of, for arguments sake, largely Christian Africans, Indian Hindus and secular Chinese.
Sadly, history tells us that Islam isn’t a peaceful religion. I assume the ‘path of peace is acceptance of the ‘jizya’ and if that doesn’t work, then ‘non-pacifist’ solutions are sought.
As I said before, Roman Catholicism is not true Christianity. In stark contrast to Mohammed the words, teachings and actions of Jesus show no violence and he actually preached against it.
I don’t say these things to cause conflict but because they are the truth. The ‘elites’ have purposefully encouraged large numbers of Muslim immigrants into the West specifically to cause conflict (in order to, amongst other things, ‘change’ the natives). We can resist the temptation to play their game but at the same time it will do us no good to pretend that we don’t have profound differences, politically, culturally and spiritually.
Hi Harry, the idea of an inherent racism within white people was a theory expounded by a lady called Jane Elliot. She was also the creator of the infamous blue eye brown eye expermient . She believes “We are raised to believe a myth of White superiority” http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/how-racist-are-you/
And i thank you for your words “I don’t say these things to cause conflict but because they are the truth”.
You mentioned the elites have purposefully encouraged large numbers of Muslim immigrants.
There is this idea that Muslims are completely alien to our way of life.
But this is quite a recent view. When we had nation building Europe and Britain, and many other nations, through the use of popular history created a narrative that embedded a national psyche a national identity. So for the French they are the descendents of the gauls who where descendents of the trojans, for the british it is the legends of king arthur etc. But these historical narratives are selective, and they deliberatly ignored the fact that a race was a result of different races coming together, or of migrating races etc.
But the point is , that A lot of Britains islamic influence has been swept under the carpet to help form this them us mentality.
But if you where to go back a few centuries it was very different.
For example our great common law, and ideas such as the jury system, or trust law (basically commercial law), innocence before guilty, the idea of duress, where in all probability transmitted from Islamic Sicilly after the norman conquest. Yep Shariah has always been here. trade commerce, education. Take for example the defeat of the spanish armarda. It is a historical fact that the Ottomon empire at the request of Queen Victoria harried the fleet so they were in dissarray when they met the British. or that Trafalger is named after Traf algar the island enclave of the coast of spain, etc, etc.
And theres a huge amount more. We often forget that Jesus didn’t come from Birmingham, he came from Palestine, as did St George.
The biggest cultural impact on this country is not Muslims but americanism. Fast food, hollywood, etc.
We forget that just a few decades ago, the women covered their hair, homosexuality was a sin, and traditional family values where the norm, and the queen swore an oath to do everthing in her power to uphold gods law.
the traditional Islamic culture has more in common with traditional Britian than todays Americanised Britian has with traditional Britain.
It’s fashionable to bash white people these days isn’t it?
What if I was to tell you that the poet is ill-informed and is pushing a Zionist Anti-European agenda without knowing it?
What if I was to tell you that most of what this poet is saying is provably incorrect?
I could take issue with most of what you say but this thread has seemingly run its course. I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I don’t think this poem has anything to do with racism…Neither does it have anything to do with truth or non-truth for that matter. What I got out of it is that we all are told a story about history, life, politics, the enviroment or whatever the case maybe. But the thing is what do you believe to be the truth. Every line of the poem starts with “what if” and it’s just that what if? What if you where half white and half black and did’nt know it? It’s a question in the most part but it’s all up to what you believe. Everyone is entilted to have an opinion and thoughts about whatever they want in this world. You may believe something I don’t believe just as you may like something I don’t like. It doesnt make your beliefs true or untrue, it just is. Just as it doesnt make what you like good or bad, it just is. Some people don’t believe that there is a God or whatever you want to call it. It doesnt make them right or wrong neither does it make them a good or bad person, cause it’s only a belief which is that person’s truth not yours or not mines. People need to wake up to the fact that nobody needs or deserves another person’s judgement. And nobody needs to live and die by what someone believes to be true or untrue. Whatever your thoughts and feelings about something that becomes your truth and only your truth. If you believe white people are racist, if you believe black people are racist, if you believe that religion is a hoax, thats your truth and your entitled to it. No need to argue, fuss or fight about it. Grow up people. What if I told you that half of everything you where told up to this point in your life was a lie???? (ponder that for a while) What if?
And how do you know? Because someone said so? Because you read it? What makes it true/untrue? And how do they know?
What if?????
From the poem, for me personally, the first part was to get you thrown off a bit to think and not to really think about ‘african.’ Rather, it is a revelation on how we assume a lot of things due to our own culture, belief sets, background, system etc.
So for me, it’s really saying….
“What if I told you, just told you and gave you books after books to read, a system, and all that you see has a story – would you believe it?
Well, you believed it because that’s exactly what happened from the day you was born until now- and you didn’t question it, or had a hunch but still….followed blindly..”
What if the point in the poem was to make you research, think critically and come to your own infomed opinion about the information in the poem?
The above, is not poetry. It is rant – quite apart from its veracity.
Poetry is a heavenly blessing, a gift
It was never political, or dedicated to Partijnost, or racialities – all of which are ephemera
No matter the short lines – that doesn’t make it a poem
Reading your stuff, i think you will like this: https://gnstr.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/7-reasons-why-world-war-3-is-probably-around-the-corner-and-how-we-can-stop-it/
great poem,i will enjoy learning some stuff from it,a lot of things i would never of looked into without reading this,thank you