I learnt something once from travelling up to Scotland with John Harris once, where he was stopped by Police and refused to take any paperwork from them. This meant that he wasn’t subject to their Judge Dredd summary judgement on the side of the road and that if the Police wanted to proceed with anything, they’d have to do tonnes more paperwork by getting in touch with the Courts. After 6 months, John didn’t hear anything, which mean that any proceedings would be invalid.
I carried on passing this knowledge and even tested it myself and it works. All you need to be is polite, give them your name and address, just don’t accept or sign any paperwork. You are entitled to use this method, but you have to make sure you’re nice about it. Police also have to read you the exact piece of legislation before they can administer any ‘justice’.
The more we get this information out there, the more we can effectively create a more level playing field when dealing with the Police, who to me just seem generally like angry wasps buzzing around the place looking for trouble.
The following video from Danny Shine (I’m so glad you released it Danny!) is a great example of how anyone can effectively run rings around the Police, as they just aren’t used to dealing with people who aren’t scared of them; and know in reality the Police don’t have many powers if you refuse to contract with them… ENJOY:
This is a great clip, I was in the police force for 8 years till the ‘Vail’ was lifted. I felt sick when I realized I was working for a corporation, something always felt a bit ‘wrong’. I joined to help people but ended up getting so much pressure place on me to ‘get tickets’ & ‘Lock up’ & no matter what anyone tells you the senior police staff do force targets on younger inexperienced offices & the process of indoctrination & blind obedience is everywhere most ‘bobbys’ are decent people trying to help there communities but inevitable the structure uses a host of ‘disciplinary actions’ to keep them trapped in fear.
I didn’t know the law or make it my business to find out I just took my training/indoctrination at face value, until I stumbled across the freeman movement, once I started questioning the system It was clear I’d been ‘seen’ by management & flagged as a problem. When I refused to issue tickets at the rate of 20 a month telling my Sergeant I thought it was immoral, I was put onto an ‘action plan’ to ‘guide’ me in the right direction. The paper work given to me was for ‘insubordination’ both the SGT and the inspector wouldn’t put anything in writing about the ticket targets. fast forward 2 months I couldn’t stand the mental chains & resigned. I foolishly hoped I could change things from inside, but they’re so worried about rocking the boat. Now I am so happy I can’t believe I punished myself & surrounded myself with all that negativity for so long.
“Once the subject has refused allegiance & the policy officer has resigned his post the revolution is complete.” – The Duty of civil disobedience xx Namaste
PC Stout: An ‘angry wasp’ indeed, and not a very intelligent one at that.
Impressive work, but if you did indeed willfully go through a red light as many cyclists do these days in London (& you don’t deny it in the video), then (speaking as a cyclist myself) you were in the wrong and PC Stout was right to stop you.
alexis – you’re missing the point.
Alexis, he said he would pay the fine but would not accept the paperwork; his right. PC Stout’s reason for asking him to turn off his camera couldn’t have been good. He should be fired.
Thanks for this, next time I get stopped foR Breaking the law I will refuse to accept paperwork…. so I if I run a red light or get stopped for speeding or assault someone, I will use this piece of advice.
Sue, you have failed to distinguish between Law and statute. One is rules of a corporation, one the law of god. If you don’t the moral standing then you will not prevail. As you can see, Charlie did have the moral standing. If you assault someone, you have no moral standing. I feel your comment is somewhat ignorant and provocative and would ‘advise’ you to get some common sense before you even leave your house.
I was stopped by customs (Police) at the airport, I had bought in over my allowance of cigarettes which they confiscated, but they also confiscated my allowance, without giving me or informing me of the particular legislation which satted that they were allowed to do this. They gave me literature, but in that literature it did not explain anywhere that they were also allowed to confiscate my allowance. i argued at the time of confiscation, but was told that they were allowed to confiscate, but didn’t show me or say which legislation states that action.
This is from a Police Officer, who has responded to my video post of the above video ‘Police, Camera, Action’:
“It is true you don’t have to accept tickets from police !! BUT I suggest you have a look at Sec 24 PACE regarding powers of arrest !!
It could end up costing you far more money and time, if you fail to provide details that cannot be verified !!”
Would he be correct in what he says?
I had someone refuse to give me their details once after I saw them contravening a no-entry sign, and so I couldn’t issue a ticket as I had no address to send any summons too if they ignored it. Nobody has to accept a ticket at the roadside as it’s a ‘conditional offer’, but they do have to provide a name and address for any court summons, a solicitors address will do, as long as you can be contactable via it.
The person who refused to give me his details ended up being arrested, and due to the time wasted he was also charged with wasting Police time, as well as not providing his details to a constable when asked. The result was that instead of a £60 fine and 3 points on his licence, they ended up with over £600 in court fines and costs(they went not guilty for some bizarre reason).
Providing a name and address when stopped whilst ‘driving’ a ‘vehicle’ (note the deliberate choice of words) is ‘required’. Can the same words and terms be applied to a push bike? I contend that they cannot, therefore in the context of Danny’s youtube video he clearly demonstrates his knowledge and conversely PC Stouts’ lack of knowledge in statute ‘law’. Thanks for your comment Mikeh.
@Mikeh2000
And there lies the problem Mike. Were you a police constable or a polive officer impersonating a police constable? and were you standing on your oath when enforcing your will upon the this particular individual.
See the problem 😉
As a constable upholding your common law duty you are appreciated by lawful citizens, as a policy fee enforcement officer you can go and get stuffed if you are only following the script!
You’re welcome
Outlaw1
I am getting the message: ‘This video is private. Sorry.’ I cannot access it on YouTube or here.
As an old man struggling to understand how anyone can be fined or punished, by fixed penalty tickets, before being convicted in court, which is blatantly unlawful, as it is denying the accused their right to plead his case to his peers. By peers, I am not referring to Magistrates, who have no idea of justice.
I can understand, that there has to be a crime, and someone (human) has to have been injured or suffered loss, because of it, which does not apply in the case of fixed penalty tickets and the like.
However, the point about getting supporters around you, is quite right and therefore leads me to ask …as an ‘old’ newbie:
As we only have until 3rd November 2014, to shake off the EU yoke, from that date Parliament hands over power to the EU, should we not be combining with like minded groups and create an action campaign.
i.e. Issue enforcement notices to the Chancellor, forbidding any payments to the EU, until we are given a referendum on our membership, and because as chancellor he has a duty to protect our Taxes from embezzlement, and the EU accounts have not passed independent audit for sixteen years.
Issue an enforcement notice banning windfarms and taxes on CO2 emissions, last years volcanic eruptions produced more CO2 than mankind has since he first appeared on Earth. (The latest erruptions from Iceland, have wiped out the last four years, of global CO2 emission reductions.)
Issue an enforcement notice demanding a criminal investigation of the kidnap of children by the Social Services and the bent judges of the family courts.
We need to let people know that there is no need to march in protest, against the might of the state, staying at home for 1/2 a day, followed by the threat of a whole day the following week and a day and a half etc, will bring the country to a standstill.
Ghandhi brought down the British Empire, by doing … nothing.
No government, ignored by its people can survive.
@angry old git, great idea, we all need to get our heads together and target ALL the problems at one time, look at what the lorry drivers did when unhappy about fuel, the students about expensive uni charges atc, we need all the groups acting all together on the same days rather than smaller individual events. Its easier to bring the country to a hault than we all think. Respect to all the LR’s out there.
Nice work Danny, A quick message to sue and Alexis. Alexis, Danny went through a red light, no one was hurt and I am sure no other vehicles were coming. As a cyclist would you stop at a red light if a ball of flame was rolling towards you? of course not because common sense dictates that would be stupid, therefore common sense dictates its stupid to wait for ages at a red light with no traffic coming, if you cannot see the road or there is doubt if anything is coming then stop again common sense and the whole idea of this site is to uphold COMMON LAW and common sense. Turning now to you Sue, assaulting someone is a crime under common law, so you would be arrested for assault. The police swore an oath to uphold the law of the land, unfortunately most of them are trying to enforce acts of parliament for the profit of private companies. In a recent case in Devon the police admitted as much that they were owned by a subsidiary of IBM. I am all for police upholding common law but not trying to generate profit for private masters. WAKE UP!!!
@Sue – you are not within your right to assault or cause harm to anybody under common law; don’t confuse common law with statute/contract law.
Boycott, a well known word, but unfortunately the action is never used. If something is too expensive don’t buy it. The problem is this applies to any joint action by the public; getting them to stand together. Most chicken out , and want others to do the dirty work for them.
All over the globle the.private corporations are making huge profits by charging ludicrous fines to ordinary citizens just for driviing their car on the road,,,How can we as citizens band together and help each other stop these unlawful acts….
as a construction worker i have heard on the grapvine that HSE will soon be getting police powers to hand out on the spot fines at work ie “have you signed that scaffold tower off laddie? oh you forgot, thats a sixty quid fine” and you are at work so can afford it now thats what i call a money spinner
where is the video???????????
its back pedro
Great clip. Brilliant and hats off for not getting angry with yet another yellow chested moran! I watch a lot of those Police, camera, craption shows and wish they’d put one out there with the truth, rather than constantly trying to brainwash the public into thinking that all black guys are selling drugs and live in rundown estates, that it’s actually sensible to chase someone at 90mph through town centers leading to fatal or near fatal crashes – over a blown bulb or something else stupid, etc etc. This cheeses us all off when I alone know where most of the major drug deals goes down in my area, as do the Police, and nothing gets done. This video clip is brilliant and whilst lots of Police are doing what they’re supposed to do, there are tons of them like this one in the clip who are no better than official thugs in that ever increasing and irritating yellow uniform. And can the chaps who make those silly Police hats please remove the Mason black and white satanic logo from the Police? They just don’t know that’s everyone is waking up.
I don’t get it. This is just a loop hole for avoiding fines is it? If you can justify to yourself why it’s ok to commit some kind of offense then this is the trick to use to avoid paying a fine. In that case I could take a slash in the street or allow my dog to foul a public place and as long as I don’t admit I did it or refuse to pay a fine I can refuse to give my name and address unless the officer can quote the part of the law that requires me to do so? However, if the officer can quote the correct part of the law I’d be obliged to give my name, though it’s unlikey the officer will bother to fill out the masses for paperwork required to persue me? Have I got it.
I’m all for making arsey coppers look and feel stupid but I can’t help feeling this is achieving nothing. Do you want police to be more professional or just enjoy winding them up? Or do you want the law changed so that cyclists don’t have to stop at red lights?
Video has been removed by the user…
Anyone looked into `the state of nature` Law ? I`m interested on it`s standing and if anyone at LawfulRebellion has looked into it as with the Magna Carta. Seems like Common Law to me and pre-dates governments…..
‘course it has… not the first time & won’t be the last. Will try to find another and repost. Sorry all!!
To teach a man to hate him self is to teach a man to deny his own self conscious. Only then will he oppress and harm others as directed by laws and rules he is taugh if he obeys them he will be rewarded with gold, power and social acceptance = a hero of State like a comic book – like a movie like a TV show like a song on the radio…
Who loving them self will harm others?
Man has embraced the rule of gold and forsaken the golden rule – – – man has become a curse on him self not able to judge him self so he votes for Judges and Clergy to judge – he hires an attorney to represent him because he can represent him self – a professor a council or intersession between him self and others. Any one who hates others hates them self because he know him self not – he who know him self will measure others by his own measure that he measure him self – he who knows him self will not prescribe others a dose of medicine he him self has not first administerd to him self to see that it is first safe…
let the lies become extinct and the liars be not only separated from the chaff from wheat but let also the wheat be refined and milled to perfection – peace
The video seems to have been deleted
Yep, happens alot, will get re-linked
I’ve been waiting for a re-link for awhile now. what was the name of the video on youtube? anyone save it? how can I see this? very curious…
Video still Missing In Action
I think this is the video in question…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpN4zoG2TiA
awesome
I was stopped earlier this year, my imediate reply to the officers
Question “what you doin round ere” was am i obliged to answer
That question.. The officer jumped from his van pinned me to it and
Arrested me for burglary.. After interview it was
Clear to the officer i had not been burgaling and No Further Action
Was taken. Obviousty this was a massive waste of time on both parts.
What can i do about this?? Jamieswiers@hotmail.com
Thanks
well… some would jump in with aggressive liens and the like but I would not suggest that. You could complain as to the nature of the arrest with the police complaints service… Or… you could set up a local meeting group to educate your fellow humans about WTF is happening (use http://lawfulrebellion.crowdmap.com)… I would choose the latter.
i was very interested in watching this video, unfortunately it has stopped working and will not play. I just thought i would flag this error in the hope it could be resolved for future viewing by the public. thank you
So if the officeBoy had stated that you (cyclist) have committed an offence by jumping the red light and as a result have to provide your details and failure to do so would result in arrest under PACE. The cyclist would need to either provide the details or be arrested and produced before the Margrine court, then what things will follow? Presumably, the Margarine can only sentence based on guidelines and not lock him up or take his bike away?
Hey… this worked for me in the UK…
It was New Years eve, 11:00pm and we (5 in the car) were on the way to a freeparty in Bristol from Bournemouth.
As I am driving past Salisbury I get pulled over for speeding.
I gave them my name and address and then they wanted to breathalyze me which I let them do as I had not had more than a sip of a cider, so I knew I was safe.
Then the officer told me he had to take me in the van for an interview… for every single question I replied: “no comment” or “refuse to answer”.
The officer spent ages writing things on paper and then said: “Sir, I’m gonna have to ask you to sign these papers” to which I replied: “am I obliged to?” and he said “no” so I replied with: “then I won’t sign them”
I was told I’d be sent to court but that was 5 and a half months ago and I’ve not heard from them.
I tried to play the video but it say ” this video does not exist “.
Does anyone have a link to it on YouTube or could you tell me the title so i can search for it.