Report by David Ophalus
Hello all
Highlights raised in Danny Shine’s new video:
- It is a crime to do nothing.
- According to the ONS, if your completed Census is lost in the post, you have to prove that it was indeed lost in the post – this means it’s not the Post Office’s responsibility, it is yours from when you post it until it hits the Census factory – how odd.
- The Law is ‘crafted’ to the advantage of the Authorities.
- There is no law that you have to open your mail.
- There is no connection between the words ‘OCCUPIER’ and ‘HOUSEHOLDER’ in the Census questionnaire and Census Legislation.
- There is some ground to cover on the Data Protection Act, if the ‘HOUSEHOLDER’ gives over your information without consent.
- The questionnaire is apparently in ‘Plain English’, yet the ‘OCCUPIER’ is a term in Law.
- According to the ONS, Lawyers make money from contradicting the interpretations of law in Court.
- The Authorities cannot prosecute a house, if people decide to no fill in the Census, don’t answer the door or communicate with any of the Census Body Corporate – it wi ll be ‘very difficult’ to prosecute somebody.
Seriously, these people are bonkers. They have no right to demand anything from us but love.
For those in Wales this is a link to the Welsh Regulations http://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2010/1361/regulation/13/made
had a quick look this is one sentence I found interesting (6) Where a questionnaire is received by the Authority but does not include some or all of the particulars which the prescribed person was required by the Census Order to provide then an appointee may, in accordance with any directions which may be issued by the Authority, make such enquiries as they think are reasonable of any person to obtain the missing particulars and record the answers to those enquiries which may be used for the purpose of the census. So if you part fill it in they can make enquiries of anybody to fill in the rest..Surely that didn’t used to happen…I find it interesting that even though the Census is meant to be a record of one particular night, of everyone staying at that property (it’s always been like that, great for family history), they want your details anyway for the 6 months after, even if noone is there on the specified date! Hmmm…Anyone else think the Census form is also partly like a Benefit Application form? will they be cross checking the information against records they already hold to see if they match?
Danny Shine is a Top Banana!
Yes they will cross reference with all agencies and for those claiming benefits, it is very snooping, they could send Police around to house or even plain clothes detective to catch you coming home-like debt collectors at different times.
Anyone think this organisation LR will be supportive when the shit hits the fan for non compliance?
fair play my friend, thank you for putting the time and energy into this 🙂
I live overseas. Just popped back to the UK for the weekend to a house we own here, just to check on mail and found this bloody great questionnaire sitting on the doormat.
Having looked at some of the questions, why would anybody contemplate giving up so much personal information?
There is a fundamental right to private and family life in the UK, and Europe generally. Forget the Data Protection Act – that is only applicable if someone actually has your data (you fill in the form).
I used to serve the Crown in the form of being a Police Officer. Whenever we went to obtain a warrant, we always had to satisfy the magistrates or judge regarding the proportionality of the warrant, and had to justify our infringement of that person’s human rights.
The ONS is a public body and must therefore adhere to the HRA.
I for one will NOT be filling it in. Why would I want some unknown person having ALL my information that they may well be able to use against me at some time in the future?
Given the governments track record on keeping confidential information secure, I think anyone would be justified in telling the information police to bog off.
‘The right to prohibition of retrospective justice’ is another little piece of protection people have in the UK. Like someone posted earlier, not opening your mouth is not a crime at this current moment in time, so therefore prosecution for not answering questions must therefore be impossible . . . .
Lets see how many people vote with an arms crossed protest!
paul – the HRA has been tried in court, please check out the original Census Rebellion post.
David could you be more explicit with a link perhaps in your post so that we can see it here,thanks.
What was the outcome in Court re HRA David?
hi everyone, I thought I had the perfect answer. Send back an empty envelope, recorded delivery to prove I had posted, but PO refused, as no postcode on the address they have given on census envelope – processing centre, uk……
anyone have any other ideas like this, or how to beat this?
32 sheets white paper handled with gloves on type census PO box census address on sellotape on inside of envelope but use gloves and scissors for tape cutting not teeth cos of DNA just to be on safe side…then type on one sheet Invoking Article 61 which means unjust Gov’t basically..google which Act if so fussy !! Do not lick envelope but stick with sellotape….cutting with scissors…with gloves on…then put into non see through carrier bag and wear some disguise like a capped hat or something and take form out beneath countertop and slide into counter window to PO worker and simply ask for PROOF of POSTING all it requires is for them to give you receipt of where it went to and if lost in post you can claim Compensation ! even- you do not need to give your name or anything… Howz that ?!
Keep receipt safely in an envelope and don’t answer door or communicate with any strangers or if bumping into them outside or go away they start approx five weeks after deadline to visit those whom they think not done…around about 15th May apparently or before and can continue for few months i’d think..only if worst scenario with an order with your name on came through letterbox making you go to Court but even then no law to say you have to open post.
Silly little man. Trying to trip up the long-suffering Census official with your silly little legal semantics. Get over yourself. It IS an offence not to complete a Census. You CAN get a criminal record for doing nothing. There is nothing special about the Census in that respect. Try not paying your taxes. That’s doing nothing. You’ll get a criminal record for that, and quite right too. As a matter of fact, I will refuse to complete the Census, because I simply will not be compelled to inform authority about my private life. I know that in refusing the Census I will be breaking the law. So man up. Have the courage of your convictions. Twat.
And you others: you’re paranoid. You really think the ONS is going to swab your Census form for DNA??!? No. Of course you don’t. You just think that airing flaky opinions will make you seem more interesting. How pathetic. Really, I find it embarassing to be on the same side as you lot on this issue. Now people are going to think that anyone who opposes the Census is some kind of nutter.
i’ve noticed the FAQ section on census website question 10. that there is no time limit to complete the census form justs states to fill it in on,before or just after or as soon as you can finish it, in this case when they come knocking i’ll tell them i’m busy its not convenient and i will fill it in, in due time?? how would you stand on this???
@Richard Wow, you really are a massive dick.
Reviewing this information in April 2021 at time of the UK March 2021 census. In this information of 2011 significant issue for free man are still incomplete. Firstly, point 1 and point 9 are a contradiction in the action being instructed. this has not been resolved for years. For the census period 2021- question 1 is it do nothing? question 2: what is the common law in support of doing nothing? – please give a link to the common law to prove that doing nothing is not injurous to the party. (please do not cite acts or statutes which are legalese=legislation of the maritime corporation). question 3: Please post the exact non-injurous action that people are take to desist in the census in 2021 – with no contradiction? Many need this information. Thank you. Not and are not interested in the insulting comment of sheeple.