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Having not paid Council tax since last August 2009 some very interesting facts have emerged. This information has been backed up by others who have uncovered the same routine, in which Councils act completely unlawfully.
After you decide not to pay Council, tax you will receive a ‘Summons’ to the local magistrates Court.
This appears to be a Summons issued by the Court. It bears a royal seal and is “signed” by the Clerk to the Justices for the petty sessional area of xxxx. It states:
“Complaint has this day been made before the undersigned by the London Borough of xxxx. You being a person liable to pay the Council tax and from whom payment of that tax has been duly demanded have not paid the sum as due below.”
“You are therefore Summonsed to appear before the magistrates at xxxx on xxxx at xxxx
“If you do not appear, you may be proceeded against as if you had appeared and dealt with according to the law”.
The first paragraph states that,
“complaint has been made before the undersigned.”
This looked immediately suspicious as the “signature” for Clerk to the Justices seemed to be deliberately deceptive as it was indecipherable, and photocopied onto the document (Part of the signature on this particular Summons was cut off) The other big problem being there was no name printed under the ‘signature.’
Having phoned both the Court and the Council and neither being able to tell me who signed the Summons I put in a freedom of information request to the Councils head of Governance and Law as to who was the acting Clerk to the Justices in the borough. The reply I got indicated that this person definitely did not sign the document. The Council were then instructed that the document was defective as it was not signed by a person known to the Court or the Council.
In the first Notice served on the Councils Head of Revenues and Benefits it was suggested that the Summons was defective. The Head of Revenues and Benefits replied:
“Summonses must be authorised by a Justice of The Peace or Clerk to the Justices and who’s signature appears on the Summons must have personally considered the complaint. As you now know this makes the Summons lawful and not defective as stated in your letter paragraph 5b.”
This is typical of the response from Councils, there is an over confident reply which is completely at odds with the facts. They also refer to Notices as ‘letters.’ There seems to be a cosy arrogance in all the correspondence, and if you nail them on anything they say its their ball and they are not playing! They are compartmentalised within their departments and seem to have no idea or no interest in what is really going on, those higher up the corporate ladder however must know.
Maybe some of my info did sink in as I Noticed that the job of Head of benefits and Revenues was recently being advertised in a local employment agency window!
Yes WE Summons you to Court
The next revelation was even better! It became clear that the Summons document was the same typeface and border as other Council documents. Yes, the Council issue their own Summonses! Now this has been confirmed as fact by Council staff. This is fraud and perjury under the 1911 Perjury Act and a crime under the Administration of Justice Act. Anyone except a Court issuing a document, that appears to be from a Court, is breaking the law.
This was pointed out in the next Notice to the Head of Benefits and Revenues but the reply came from someone else in the department. This seems to be the strategy when difficult questions arise – nobody takes responsibility. The reply stated,
“No further correspondence on the issues you have raised will be entered into.”
As far as the suggestion goes that the Council was guilty of fraud and perjury, their response was that they would defend themselves in Court and I would be liable for their costs if they won the case. This makes sense, as in the Borough I live the Court and town hall are on the same Council owned land. If your part of the corporation, everybody Wins!
It now appears that Councils all over the Country issue their own Summonses, they then hire a room in the Court for a ‘bulk hearing.’ The room is not part of the Court, as the Court are not involved (apart from financially). This has also been confirmed by people who work in the Court. As there is no due process being followed here, it would appear the whole procedure is a sham.
Issuing a Summons
If there is a case to be heard in the Court it has to be sent to the Court clerk (or Court manager at County Court) to consider, they then issue a Summons which is sent directly from the Court. As the Council issue the Summons it is not a Court matter, they just make it appear so by inviting (Summonsing) the person to the Court. As this is just a procedural matter for summary judgement (person already liable) and not of course a “hearing” it makes sense for them to do it themselves!
No Liability Order
The Council then state in the follow up documentation, ‘Notice of impending enforcement action’ or ‘Liability Order notification’ – this means a Liability Order was issued against the person, but it’s of course not possible as there was no Court. No Liability Order has been received from the Court by anybody I have met who has stopped paying Council tax. The reason for this is of course because there was no Court. Two corporations are involved, the Council who hire the room in the Court; and Court officials/staff in the Court who are paid by the Council. In many boroughs the Town Hall, Council buildings and Court are on the same land, owned by the Council.
This ‘Notice of impending enforcement action’ or ‘Liability Order notification’ is not a Liability Order. It also makes threats including making you bankrupt in the high Court with all assets frozen; being sent to prison; a charging Order put on your property; and then at the end of this diatribe, appointment of bailiffs. These documents are pretty generic in the different boroughs and presumably represent new powers given to local authorities – they are deliberately intimidating, but enforcing all this is of course a completely different matter.
A Liability Order has to be signed by the Judge or Magistrate and also sealed by Court. It is then sent to the person liable and also the Claimant. If the amount on the Order is not paid within the specified time then the Court can appoint bailiffs on behalf of the Claimant.
Debt collectors not Bailiffs
The Council although unable to produce a real Liability Order, then states that bailiffs have been appointed on behalf of the Council to recover the debt. This is of course impossible as there was no Court, so no bailiffs can be appointed, as they must have an Order from the Court that appointed them.
Bailiffs also have to be reregistered every two years; have an ID number; and give their full name, which can be verified by doing an Internet search. Debt collectors call themselves bailiffs and rely on peoples’ ignorance. Your birth certificate made you a ‘person’ who is ‘liable’ so ‘let he who will be deceived be deceived.’
The corporate nature of the Councils and Courts just means they pretend that bailiffs have been instructed, this is of course not possible so they appoint a debt collection agency who then send out ‘bailiff’ letters. These letters are very threatening in capital letters with a box stating ‘Removal of your goods’ or ‘Bailiff Removal.’
Bailiffs do have certain powers to collect debts, but debt collectors do not! (The powers given to bailiffs can be easily found on the Internet). Debt collectors do claim they are bailiffs and also send out documentation that is unlawful and completely unethical.
The problem with all these ‘bailiff’ letters that I have seen is that none of them bear the Bailiffs full name, certification number and Court Order reference, which of course they must have if they are issued by a bailiff.
This means of course that the debt collection agency is a third party interloper who has purchased or contracted with the Council for the Council tax debt offences. This means that the debt no longer has anything to do with the Council and the debt collector has no real power of enforcement action as a Court was not involved.
Ask your Council for a true copy of a Liability Order and see what happens, things could go VERY quiet.
Return to sender
If you want to have some fun look up the debt collection company on the companies house register and redirect all mail back to the Managing Director (after having served Notice on him or her with fee schedule attached) at their registered address and update your fee schedule on each new envelope that you return.
If you want to read what these computer printout ‘Notices’ say hold them up to a powerful light and you will see it all through the envelope. One thing is for sure, it won’t be signed by a bailiff with the relevant info. Another good idea is to let them know that your fees for handling their deceptive ‘bailiff’ letters will be collected by a debt collection agency! This has to be the next logical step, getting debt collectors onto the debt collectors and Councils.
The Councils only form of redress after this is to go to Court and put a Charging Order on your property if you ‘own’ it or try some other route like trying to get you into Court. If you ignore all this there seems to be little they can do, as they run out of ideas when the robotic paper trail stops. If you are on Benefits or in Council property refusing to pay Council tax, it may not be a good idea, as they can evict you or have Benefits stopped at source.
And finally for your delectation and delight… The unlawful Debtors Notice… Flatulence in contract is an offence.
Along with the document ‘Notice of impending enforcement action’ or ‘Liability Order notification’ the Council also include a ‘Notice’ to debtors, which makes threats and menaces. It also makes unlawful ‘demands’ for information on the reverse. There is also a quote from a local Councilor! The document states:
“It is an offence not to complete and return the enclosed financial information form”. xxxx xxxx Council are now taking legal action against customers who do not return their form fully completed. This legal action will result in a criminal conviction and fine of up to £1000.”
This is of course completely untrue. Other Boroughs just ‘request’ this information, my Council demand it as if it is the law. This ‘demand’ is of course never followed up. Information demanded includes National Ins number; name of employer; address of employer; date of birth; and all details of benefit claims etc. Then there’s part C that states you MUST fill it in. This demands name; email address; telephone number; and then of course you MUST sign it!
These threats are carried on at the bottom of the form saying,
“You will be committing a criminal offence if you do not give the above information and you can be fined up to £1000 pounds, as well as getting a criminal record. The same will happen if you give information that is not true.”
They also state that they would take legal action against anyone who did not fill the form in and that cases had been held in magistrates Court and the debtors receiving fines of £100 plus £85 costs. This is a bare faced lie!
Of course if you were unfortunate or gullible enough to fill in this badly worded junk mail they really have got you. If you filled it in and gave false information that would indeed be an offence. Fraudulence in contract IS an offence, but IGNORING an unlawful piece of paper is not!
One of the other many problems with the form is that the Council is known ONLY as LBWF and it was confirmed in writing that xxxx xxxx Council did not exist! Their corporate office stated this in a freedom of information request. I also included this in my Notice that demanding payment for an organisation which did not exist appeared to be fraudulent. This fact was of course ignored.
Having found out the name of the Council solicitor who put this rubbish together, I stated this would be investigated. Having served Notice on the Head of Governance and Law, (the top lawyer in the Borough), I can say from experience these people do not know how to do their jobs or even know the law, and they just seem to break it when it suits them.
In short there is a lot of noise and threats made which are just hot air in order to scare the public into paying off the banks and the national debt!
For anyone who saw the film “Councils, Courts and Conmen” on YouTube the Order at the end of the film was not a Liability Order, just the amount of liable persons who were ‘Summoned’ to the Court. There was no name on the Order, it was simpler just to make the point that the ‘liability’ was established before the hearing, and of course they had to book Court number 1 because 14 witnesses turned up! This appears to be just part of the huge corporate scam that Councils are involved in. There is much more we have uncovered and will post in due course.
Well that’s the end of the paper trail for now. However, when there is a registered PERSON at your address, you know there is bound to be more!
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Can someone help me? After reading this I’m not sure of what I’ve received in the mail today. I was badly in arrears 3or 4 years ago and it went to court without me acknowledging it (was burying my head with debt probs at the time). I arranged a payment plan which was paid in full last December. I have since been receiving all sorts saying I also had a £590 fine which I thought was a bit barbaric considering I couldn’t pay the Council Tax due to being skint. Must admit I have completely ignored this, even a letter saying there was an arrest warrant on me (HMRCS). Today I have a letter from Marstons saying they’re going to enter my property whether I’m in or not and seize my goods for sale at auction. Is all this intimidation and fear mongering really not a legal court fine? I’m in bits here wondering what to do because Marstons have added another £300 to the amount they’re demanding.
My experiences… One can fire notices, fee schedules, claim common law (private contract between king and pope) jurisdiction etc., etc., until the cows come home. the fact of the matter is, the contract our parents signed (birth certificate) upon our ‘nativity’ is enforceable (hence council tax and every other insidious ‘payment’ they want from us). They giggle at the children stamping their feet and sending them their paperwork. Is it them who don’t understand the ‘law’, or is it US who haven’t told them we have returned as the living flesh and soul as sovereign heirs? My experience has shown me that the Pronuntio Restitutum is very effective indeed… moreover, the ancient roman deeds and writs are all we have to remove ourself from the Roman Cult. Until Our living standing is restored and notified to the officers of the 5 main heads of the snake, then unfortunately We will continue to be ignored and treated as children. Of all the information i’ve devoured over the years, and all the notices, notarized affidavits, commercial liens etc., i’ve issued really amounts to diddly squat. Frank O’Collins (One-Heaven) resonates as somebody who truly understands the foundations of the entire ‘Game’. I did the deed of restitution process 2 years ago after all my lawful documents were generally ignored… lo and behold i’ve had no council tax bill for 2 years! synchronicity? I’d say so. I don’t wish for tort damages, I wish for no part in their commercial game at all… I just trust that they now know who I AM and leave me in peace. So far so good. Good luck guys, keep (peacefully) fighting the good fight. 🙂
p.s. Well worth a read…
http://cdn.ucadia.net/pdf/one-heaven.org/Pactum_De_Singularis_Caelum.pdf
Hi to all.
Very interesting information (above) and may I say thank you to all the contributors.
A brief synopsis of our situation.
We were required to leave our house last November (2013) as we could not pay our mortgage costs. Bad enough! We were incredibly lucky to find a landlord who would accept us as we were (and are), so at least we have somewhere to live.
Council Tax. Some owed from our previous property and now from our rented accommodation. The problem is, quite simply, income did not and now does not meet expenditure. The Council want over a quarter of my taxed income (I’m only on minimum rate pay) which means that should I pay the council, there will be a considerable shortfall in our rent. I am not inclined to shortfall my landlord as there would, necessarily, be consequences were this to happen. Have two children who need to be housed too! Finding cheaper accommodation will be very difficult. Credit ratings shot to pieces thanks to mortgage company and others. Thanks Experion et al!
Council informed of circumstances post house loss, so they know exactly were we are financially. They know we either pay rent or Council Tax! Off the back that, two ‘liability orders’ received today 30/4/2014. As I have not received a signed liability order from Dover Magistrates Court, the liability notices are going straight back to Ashford Borough Council. It seems that that our case was not heard in a competent court pursuant to Regulation 55 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement Regs 1992). In addition, I will expect a break down of their ‘court costs’ they claim they have incurred. They will have to justify this as £120 added to the ‘liability’ seems to be excessive.
Don’t please get me wrong. I am very willing to pay some Council Tax as we receive services, bins, schooling, police etc. BUT it has to be reasonable and according income. This no longer seems to be the case as far as our local authority is concerned. What are they going to do? The issuance of liability orders from time to time? Once they have taken all they can get, what next? Something needs to be done!
The Council’s attitude does not engender social responsibility. Ultimately, so it seems, they wish to create ‘benefit dependency’ so they can control the ‘citizen’ by putting people into a situation from which they cannot reasonably recover. Yet, when a situation like this occurs, they don’t wish to pay for it (benefits etc). They cannot have it both ways. We certainly do not wish to be dependent on state (or local authority assistance).
It is a drastic step but we are considering bankruptcy. Then they’ll get nothing! serves them right! Kill the golden goose…….
I’d be very interested to receive any replies via site or email.
Finally, may I quote from a famous actor ‘don’t let the bastards grind you down’. When he said that, and you know who he is, it meant a lot to me. My thanks to him.
I look forward to hearing from anyone with the same or similar predicament.
All the best
APW
Just wanted to mention. One individual made a reference to Somalians buying crack with their money. Wrong angle. I noticed nobody else commented on this which could be seen as a tacit agreement or maybe nobody could be bothered. Please do not use such separatist language as this is the same attitude that has created this division which we are trying to remedy. In your case it may be a Somalian that gives you the keys that you are searching for so I beg you. Don’t be the typical fool that the government has CREATED blaming the latest foreigner.
LOVE ALL
if anybody living along the M62 corridor was visited by a Marstons bailiff called michael stephen curless for council tax arrears between 15th february 2011 and the 19th february 2012, you need to sue the council concerned as the above named did not have the required bond of £10,000 lodged with a court.
re court case (hughes v curless 2012)
also check the fee’s he may have listed for false claims- espc van fee anybody charged a van fee on the first visit or where no goods removed can also use the above referenced case in addition to culligan v simpkin.
the extremely strange thing that i found about court costs is, i asked hm court service the following- are magistrates court costs the same for every court in england? the reply was YES. therefore which council is the liar out of the following? all the following responses were obtained on the 15th april 2014.
council summons cost court cost liability order cost
linconshire 0 60 0
manchester n/a n/a n/a total £82
liverpool 16 40 12 68
preston n/a n/a n/a 92
brigton 100 0 20 120
lincon city 50 0 25 75
tamworth 60 0 35 95
leeds 30 40 20 90
hm court service also said that they charge councils a flat rate of £3 to issue a summons and that there is NO CHARGE for the granting of a liability order as this is the whole purpose of going to court and is part of the court costs. in addition if it is the court granting the order why would you have to pay the council? surely if there was really a charge for the order it would be the court that recieves the payment as they and not the council have incured the expense
Hi all, I have followed all the advice given on this subject and have acted accordingly, even with the assistance of Roger Hayes, but the one thing that we haven’t been able to tackle successfully is on the subject of ‘Attachment of Earnings’.
Somehow my council managed to discover who my employer is and they managed to get my employer to unlawfully deduct monies from my salary.
I made all sorts of warnings and threats to my employer both verbally and in writing but so far to no avail.
Anyone out there have any ideas on this one?
The council are pursuing a person with a different name to mine for non payment of council tax. One of the council people turned up at my workplace with a court order for an attachment of earnings in the name they’re after but with my national insurance number. My boss wrote them a letter stating that the named person isn’t known there. They then came back a week later & told him that unless he makes that attachment, he will be arrested. Is this lawful & where do I go from here?
It is probably legal, but legal and lawful aren’t the same. Is it lawful? Hell no. Is it legal? Ask a solicitor and then try to find it within yourself to actually give a sh*t about what they think.
Cheers. I’m not happy because it’s putting my boss under pressure. I’m going to phone the court tomorrow & find out more.
Hope the thieving bast wards incur karma, what goes around comes around, never a true saying
Re: the question about attachment of earnings. I am an employer and i recently had a similar experiance with the CSA, they wanted me to put an attachment of earnings on his wages.
I simply refused and gave them the run around not stepping up to the name so they wrote to payroll, accounts, the manager and managing director with no name, all were returned addresee not known, or oversees etc.
They then made an offer for payroll to go in for a nice interveiw under pace, but payrol was bust that day.
They called 3 times at our work place trying to intimidate staff but with no affect. We have heard nothing since, so its down to you employer and his/her resolve to stand up to these idiots, whist not stepping up to the name leaves them with nothing. Besides i dont have the right to deduct money a man whos time i have purchased.
Very interesting im just about to try expose Glasgow city council and their insidious debt management partners … .. so thank you .. feeling inspired .!!]
You are all idiots. Im sorry but pay your bills like everybody else has to. I bet youd be the first to complain if the bins were full or the fire brigade didnt turn up when your house was on fire.
Its people like you that infurate me. We all have a duty to contribute to society> if you cant because of financial reasons there is help available but not to pay for the sake of not paying is quite frankly stupid and irrisponsible.
I have been isdued attachement of earnings without my knowledge!!! As Wirral Council never sent me any letter it will happen. Where do i stand ?
I don’t agree with the people saying council tax should be based on income. That again means that the single working people are subsidising people who chose to have kids when they cannot afford to and not only that, have more than one. Why should single people subsidise everyone else. I live on my own. Why should I pay the same council tax as a family of 4 or more… I will not pay to bring up other people’s kids. People need to understand, looking after children also means providing for them. If you cannot afford to provide for them without other people subsiding you them you should not have children. I have no sympathy for you
Council tax is just theft, demanding money for services you may not need or want. It is about time people were allowed the choice to buy which services you require from your council instead of mafia culture councils abusing people to pay for things they do not want. We live in a country were abusing people is culturally and morally acceptable this theft and the way it is carried out is a prime example of that. Atb ste
This post is a crock of shĩt…. I wanted genuine information and all I’ve seen is bullshĩt….
I would like some support or help or just evan advice on my council tax, as I’m dyslexic and have a speech impediment, its hard some time to express what you want to say and get things explained in the right manner, the layman in the court was amazing, i don’t think i could have done what he did,
Is there any good firms or any one who could help in Nottingham, that specialise in council tax? and would give the courts a bit of a problem, instead of obeying with them on every issue,
it would be a big help thank you very much Zak
Shane, your a bit of an idiot yourself, so please keep your idiotic name calling comments to yourself. Nobody on this post has ever mentioned refusing to pay their bills. Its people like you who infuriate me. You believe people have a duty to contibute to society? I believe that very thing myself, but people can contribute in whatever beneficial way they see fit. They do not have to pay out their hard earned cash to corporations who bully people. Oh and by the way, you said there is help available if you cannot pay, what might help will that be? As I have never seen someone been offered help…only a decrease in the amount they will take until you start earning more. Should be dressed in balaclavas the robbing bastards
Does the same apply in Scotland?!
I welcome all exposure of the many vile lies and insidious practices of Glasgow Shitty Council, and Inverclyde council too, both of whom feature many a tool in their employ who be taking instruction from what can be termed a Lower Power. & I’m sure the same cabal runs through all the other fiefdoms illegal offices.
Up The Revolution & let their heads roll in the streets.
I am currently investigating this as I have just found out the exact same information. The ‘summons’ is fraudulent and I did consider the Perjury Act 1911 to be pertinent. However you seem to think you personally would have to sue civilly. This is a criminal matter and merely pointing this out to the police (and may I suggest the media) should commence a criminal investigation.
I have a similiar sort of problem am over in Essex and have Braintree council on my case, apparently because I lived with my ex partner but although I did not sign or ever pay for council tax apparently I am now liable for all of HIS debt. I am a single mother now on benefits struggling to live as it is, living with my mum because it’s that hard. they now expect me to pay £500+ to them because of his debt. I said I can’t afford that I can’t even live how I am at the moment and she was very rude and said you don’t have a choice! can anyone help me? is there any way I can get out of this as I just simply cannot afford it and also in my letter it says that I was issued with a magistrates court liability order back in whatever month it was but I was not presented with such a thing ever and the woman said that would be because it was sent to the previous address well surely that’s not my fault surely if I have been presented with only the huge bill and no court order I should not have to pay this because I never got warned about it? someone please help! I’m 19 and not very clued up about all of this and I’ve been crying all day worrying how I am going to support my 9 month old baby and myself. thank you.
I have lived in a Country where taxes were not collected efficiently, if at all, the Country was and is in a mess with terrible public services. I can truly understand the need to pay taxes even if they are hated by people. If we all stopped paying them you would soon see this Country in a much bigger mess than it already is.
hi can someone please give me some advice, i have not paid council tax since 2009 and up untill now recieved all the usual threatening ltrs. today i have recieved a summons to the magistrates court for all money from 01.04.09 to 31.03.15.
it states if i fail to appear i will render myself liable to arrest. can they really arrest me.
the summons is for 21st august so i dont have much time.
thanks in advance.
Hi Corrine,
You will have to find your courage.
Go to court on the day.
I’ll bet that when you turn up there will be council staff there who will try to make you accept some kind of payment agreement.
Accept nothing and demand to speak to the magistrate.
The Human Rights Act 1998 and the common law of this land grant you the right to a fair trial and also the right to be heard.
Keep insisting on speaking to the magistrates and you will eventually be allowed to go in.
You may have to wait a while before seeing the magistrate.
When you go in you do not stand when the magistrate enters the courtroom.
When asked to stand remain seated and this stops them having authority over you.
You then ask for their oath of office that they should have declared and signed BEFORE coming into the court. If they cannot produce this you know you are in a kangaroo court that is not lawful.
Insist upon them producing their oath and they will have to leave the court if they don’t have it. They will have committed treason and fraud if they do not. They may call for security to remove you but you must remain in control of yourself and not offer violence to anyone. Do warn them they face being sued if they touch you.
If police are called you must remind the police officers of their oath of office to serve and protect. You must also explain that you have claimed common law jurisdiction and are thus within your authority to demand that they assist you in preventing dishonour being done to Her Majesty and also that you are within your rights to ask for the magistrates’ oath of office.
If they do produce their oaths you should be allowed time to read thru it and make sure that the signatures for each magistrate in that courtroom are correct.
hat oath will then mean that they must uphold the law (common law) and make sure that justice is done. They will at that point have to ignore what the council wants and act according to to law.
If the magistrates have no oath to produce, they will have to leave the court because they are seriously dishonouring tHer Majesty and can be arrested for real for doing that. They must leave the courtroom in order to escape.
If this happens you then simply declare that as they have abandoned the court you as the highest authority there now declare the case dismissed.
You are then free to go home.
Let’s see if the council will dare come after you following this. It will be very hard for them because you showed up their unlawful and fraudulent behaviour.
I wish you the best.
By all means anyone on here can correct me if i am wrong.
OK here goes.. I have been studying this stuff for about 5 years now and I hate to burst your bubble folks but there is no magic bullet to avoid council tax fines etc. its just a matter of time before they catch up with you and take your property hammer you with a big fine or send you to prison weather its lawful /legal or not !
sites like theses are putting people life’s and liberty in jeopardy with a promise of a fictitious get out out of jail free: card pass I am beyond the law approach because you did not say it right or it was not written lawfully, with the captains signature embossed in right the shade of gold.This is just semantics When you open your eyes and research this correctly you will see that there has never been a real winning case or a payout on NOTICE to the council. because you sent them one they simply will ignore it
amongst other things and “I do not notice your notice” many of you state that you do not wish to live in, or follow the basic rules of our society but wish to live on the edge but still claim benefits .this makes you a hypocrite does it not. if you do not like this society or what it has become then I put it to you leave..
I love comments like this, because it shines a light into the psyche of the ‘paradigm defender’. Nothing wrong with it, but let’s not hide away from the obvious fraud being perpetrated in the councils hiring out court rooms and the entire DE FACTO process. We have the appearance of a lawful system – is that good enough for you Jase p? Because the appearance of justice betrays the obvious absence of justice for all those evicted and repossesed for being unable to keep up with the extortion racket carried out by local council CORPORATIONS and their hired CORPORATE EMPLOYEES and PLACES OF BUSINESS. It is a sad fact that ‘sites like these’ spring up because people such as myself and the thousands and thousands like me have the tenacity, the ability and the will to do the very minimum: Communicate and organise information which will pave the way for the systems’ removal and replacement. We have vision, not blinkers.
All those advices and video are very exciting.
The truth is:
Sooner or later the Gvr will get your ass and they’ll do all in their power to make your life as miserable as possible. It happens in the UK, in the EU and even on the bigger scale in the USA.
It won’t be uncommon if the Gvr creates, sponsors and warms-up forums like this.
I’m sure they monitor and collect all poster’s IP addresses, network cards numbers, pc id numbers … from this web-site (or web-sites like that), (just in case… you know… fighting terrorism, preventing social disorders, etc… ). 🙂
I would suggest for all people with no or low income to get a Bailiff General Certificate ASAP.
That’s whom all Courts throughout the country are desperately looking for right now. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Check-out this web-site: https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/bailiff.aspx
Quotes:
“You may not need qualifications to get into this job, as your communication skills and life experience are usually more important.”
“Starting salaries in private firms can be around £18,000 a year. With experience this can rise to around £25,000. As a self-employed bailiff, you may be able to earn up to around £40,000 a year or more, though your salary wouldn’t be guaranteed and would depend on the amount and type of work you were willing to do.”
“Bailiff work is a growth area.”
They even made a prediction of the bailiff’s growth:
2015 +- 2210000 bailiffs in the UK
2020 +- 2260000 bailiffs in the UK.
It means that right now they have 50000 more vacancies for everybody who’s agreed to do the JOB.
In according to http://ons.gov.uk/ons/taxonomy/index.html?nscl=Population the UK population is now +- 64 mil.
It makes that ONE of 30 persons in the UK is an official bailiff!!!
WTF!
Are you kidding me?
Isn’t it funny?
Is it?
So for all those potential non-payers they’ve already created 50K more bailiffs to set on.
And I don’t even count nonofficial collectors and other bloodsuckers. 🙂
Somebody here said:
The Gvr needs our taxes for all those public services. Without it we’ll have a chaos – no fireman, no policeman, no garbageman…
Nothing is far from the true.
They’ll never struggle when you don’t pay your taxes it is an ABSURD.
In contrary when you pay your taxes – you DO struggle. Cause you CAN’t print money. 🙂 🙂 🙂
The Gvr CAN and DOES print money whenever and as many as they want to.
The Gvr’s scale is: 1 to infinity.
In the Gvr’s reality – money is nothing. (If you still believe in the Budget, Parliament and Democracy – give me a favor – go and sign up in the nearest madhouse voluntarily or just go to the roof and jump. It would be easier for you and for our society) 🙂 🙂 🙂
They make money from the thin air. (Especially now when all what they need is just add one more 0 on their PC).
Then they give licenses for the favorite banks (coincidently 🙂 always owned/controlled by big known families) to do the same on a little bit smaller scale.
Bank’s scale is: 1 to +-30
Basically it means:
if you put 1K to your bank account banks can lent-out 30K and collect interests on this amount.
And if you don’t pay those interests or principals back – well – just say bye-bye to your home-sweet home, in some cases even to your underwear. 🙂
For the Gvr it is NEVER about the money it is always about control over you, that you do stay in your place as a little cog in a big society machine and don’t stick-up. And those who does – they’ll get cut.
Unfortunately there is no escape from this situation, except you go offshore and proclaim yourself as a government/parliament/King/Quinn or Khan on some floating island and stay there forever. 🙂
If somebody knows an exit please let me know.
The situation is getting from bad to worst. If ten years ago I saw one policeman once a week on the streets – now I see seven+ per day. It means that not only bailiffs are in a growth area. 🙂
Historically such drastically increasing happened when Gvrs are in anticipation of social disorders.
How it will end up – I don’t know.
I can say only one thing for sure:
Gvrs are killed more people than altogether “independent” murderers on Earth during all history of mankind.
Good luck with your fights people, I’m personally flying to get my Bailiff’s license 🙂 🙂 🙂
Good luck with that.
It is important to know that bailiffs cannot force entry into your property so keep your doors and windows locked. However if you let them in once the next time they attend they can force entry. Bailiffs however can seize any goods outside of the property such as a vehicle unless the vehicle is on hire purchase, leased or the owner is not named on the council tax letter.
It is disgraceful that in a modern day society the council are still using bailiffs to collect debt what an arachic method to use in a modern day society. It is a great pity they do not take time and work with people to calcualte affordable payments instead of pushing them further into debt. If anyone requires free advice contact me at http://abailiffadvice.co.uk/
Hi there, I am shocked to read all this info but find it brilliant………. I am looking for advice as I have always paid my council tax and all off a sudden out of the blue I have received few letters, notices, summons etc stating I owe varies amounts from previous years going back 5 years and 3 years……………. I am just looking for information or correct worded letters that I could write back now knowing I know they cannot do this and that its not been done via a proper court etc……………………. any advice would be greatly appreciated as I am furious at this.
Nice one Kerk, if you cant beat them, then beat the poor folk who can’t beat them either? what a coward..
Hi,
I have seen a few comments/questions asking for advice re attachment of earnings but not seen any responses. Please, if anybody has any advice i would be grateful as i am currently having funds taken from my age without my consent due to council tax and would like advice on how to have this stopped they are taking just short of $250 British pounds. This is leaving me struggling each month for basics.
While its all interesting reading with a number of amusing and long winded legal diatribe, the most important thing being missed out here is that it is legislation that dictates the obligation to pay and the administration and “recovery” of Council Tax.
All Councils do is administer and enforce the regulations. See The Local Government Finance Act 1992, including amendments.
Anyone who seriously tries to use some of the waffle and legalese contained on this website and its posts is asking for more trouble and strife than its worth. If you want to challenge liability appeal to the Valuation Tribunal. If you disagree with the outcome then you have to go for a judicial review at the supreme court. There is no silver bullet from paying Council Tax unless you meet exemption criteria’s, which you have to prove.
Sorry to dampen anyone’s flame but lets keep it real and inoffensive.
There are a number of comments I agree with in challenging what you pay for and what you get in services. However for the most part, I disagree with the body and purpose of this blog. I am a law abiding and reasonably intelligent person who chooses to research and understand my obligations and would challenge ambiguity or a breach of my rights where I may find myself subjected to such circumstances, however I cannot understand why anyone would attempt to presume that they are better or above the rest of the population in paying their taxes.
If someone is in financial difficulty the benefits system we all pay into kicks in. Local Authorities provide schemes for reducing bills funded by other tax payers contributions.
Other benefits are provided by central government to cover housing, unemployment and disability and to subsidise other services which cost money to provide and create jobs for millions of people.
Anyone who attempts to use legalese without properly understanding the full scope of Legislation that regulates “Council Tax” and its recovery obligations is bordering on poorly qualified mischief and abrogation of their responsibilities.
I don’t say that lightly but to challenge liability through attempting to usurp all the current statutes is in itself misleading and giving false hope to gullible, naive and vulnerable people, that they can challenge and not pay their contribution to society.
We all use and benefit from civic services, so for anyone who thinks it is wrong or unlawful or that they should not pay when they are required to do so, I urge you to be mindful and research for your self, than rely on the comments of a small number of rebellious, maverick, dissentient individuals who chose to defy the rule of law. If you do not pay then you are bound to expose yourself to collection of debt as you would experience with any other consumer service if you do not pay. From my own investigations the Councils and Courts are not acting without authority, consent, uninvited,fraudulent, or abusive intent in collecting taxes we are all required to pay.
If as a few have mentioned on here, you truly do not believe you should pay then stop using irrelevant and outdated legal references and waffle in an attempt to defer paying or to try and bamboozle the poor folk who have to do the work of collecting the taxes we all have to pay. Take your appeal to the Valuation Tribunal and then the Supreme Court for a judicial review if you are serious about not paying..
Hi Wayne
Thanks for your comment, an important point to consider. Probably what you’re not aware of is the nature of our economy – it is running under rules of bankruptcy which necessitate a particular style of commerce and transaction based upon the notion of admiralty maritime law. It all sounds absurd, i agree, but one way you can detect the use of it is via the ‘official’ documents received when claims of fines, taxes and other demands for money are made. They rely upon the rules of commerce, ie; that all offers must be accepted, and one can only operate honorably (avoiding dispute) at all times or else fall foul of administrative court procedure ruled by commercial law. This is why notices are used, not bills, this is why all bank notes say ‘i promise to pay’, this is why all loans are created by the signature of the debtor, I could go on. I have gone on, in the past. I get your position though, and yes I too agree that people should contribute to their community. A community that allows their members to choose their level of contribution, not force or coerce or mandate or deceive in order to gain compliance to the suffering of the individual.
Richy
Corrine;
As far as I am aware, there is supposed to be a ‘Six’ year cut off rule that could be used as your alleged debt is over 15 years old, but I cannot claim this is an accurate statement as such. from Ablett Lester
Leeds city council invited me to Leeds magistrates court on 04 September 2014 court number 17 (just a court filled with leeds city council staff to make oit appear to be a Court in session IT WAS NOT OF COURSE 0 and I went to the first room did not make any agreements then Later that day at about 2pm I was in court number 10 defending myself ,there is no liability order ,I don’t consent to council tax statute and there is -are no contracts.
Recently I received a council tax bill for 2016/2017 I will do the same again the council are attempting to illegally to have service charges named as council tax payments and use this as contract ,of course there is no contract for council tax and I want all monies leeds city council have stolen from me back.
SHDC are wanting £800 pounds off me in two payments , I’m a single mum , I’ve told them I could pay £100 a month , that said that won’t b accepted , I can’t afford to pay any more than that . Any advice please ?
Last December I received a summons for Council Tax arrears dated from 2012 up until April this year which resulted in an attachment of earnings order until I became redundant in May this year.
Following the attachment payments (from the council to the council including a £1 handling fee per attachment payment), I payed off the remaining summons balance and this years bill in full from my redundancy. However, the council are still adamant that I owe them over £400!
I have sent them a copy of the summons along with my payslips (outlining attachment payments) and the receipts from my card payments to prove that the amount has been paid in full, but they keep coming back with different account spreadsheets supposedly showing all of my payments and to where they were allocated.
None of it makes any sense to me and there are a number of discrepancies in their communication which I have questioned, but they still ignore and send me more spreadsheets to “prove” I sill owe them money.
Their payment allocation system is flawed somewhere, and all I get is “I hear what you are saying, but that doesn’t match what it says on my screen”…Aarrgggh…that’s my whole point!
I have all receipts which total the summons amount and this years bill.
I am suffering from stress and anxiety since being made redundant and recovering from a simultaneous hospitalisation for Sepsis, Swine Flu and Pneumonia in March anyway, and this really isn’t helping. What else can I do? I have received visits from council internal payment enforcement officers too! This is harassment!
Please help!
I have stopped paying council tax, basically I stopped the highways element as the pot holes are not being sorted, road lines are almost non existent, road signs are unreadable due to foliage and non cleaning, councils response was you now have to pay whole amount now, I said FO, so they took me to court, but as has been stated it is a sham, I contacted the court direct re who signed the summons etc no reply, went in person and asked if they could identify the signature, they could not, I then received a letter from a collection agency who do have registered collection officers on their books, so though this is not good, but turns out they were just asked by the council to write nothing more than a threatening letter, as there was no court judgement in the first place, checked my credit file, no mention of the so called judgement, it has now all gone very quiet, clearly I do not fall into one one of their “boxes” so now they are at a loss as to what to do, time will tell, but do have to say I am not your run of the mill guy, regards Rick
Hi there, messaging from Scotland here just been issued my first missed payment notice having never payed it before, obviously living in Scotland the court can’t send bailiffs what is the bottom line if I don’t pay my council tax? Will an arrest warrant be put out or is it all just empty threats.
The councils, courts, judges, solicitors, Police and government are bent so whatever you do, even if you prove they have contravened their own laws; it doesn’t matter, they’ll nail you anyway. They are the guilty convicting the innocent,
i have not paid the council tax for some years they now claim i owe £8000 plus i dont have anyway i now had a letter delivered today supposedly by hand that states i have a meeting arranged for me in the council building if i dont attend i will be sent to magistrates court a process i have been through before but this one is different because of the supposed meeting in the council building, Should i go what do you think? can you help? i think they want an “arrangement” maybe if i agree to pay £1 a month forever they will have to accept it? they do send debt collectors round and also bailiffs but im never in
Recently appeared at a clown court due to council tax arrears..Two women opposite me being spoken to by someone from council who promptly told them the council would not accept less than £14.00 a week. One of the women told her there was no way she could afford that. The council lady then said £5.00 was ok. Dodgy or what?
Also I was recently sent a booklet showing me where council tax money goes. £1.55 a week goes to train & bus services…What the eff is all that about ?..Council tax is no less bent than TV licence. Paying more a year for services which are being cut or you don’t use. If councils kept bills the same then cut services it wouldn’t be as bad but they’re clearly using this tax to line their own pockets.
How about an illegal band applied, then a rigged Tribunal for England and the Council hand in hand with the VOA anyone had that experience as it’s been going for 18 months. No they haven’t taken me to court but the Council will have to if the VOA remain quiet. Search Valuation office agency and look at images as some whistle blower graphics. Exactly what happened..nice
I’ve been hit with out standing old council arrears up to 2000…they sent
Collection letter stating I’ve 14 days to pay in full
or its court and added charges…I’ve read most of these sights and find information great help..As very pissed of at there greed and demands…As my Boyfriend…We are not going
To pay this…I will take it all the way to asking to speak to .Magistrate if called to Council office in Court….Bloody thieves liars Council..Debt collector 3rd party Interlopers need jailed for placing people in fear…I don’t receive benefits ..My partner on low wage caring for
Me due to disabilities..Won’t go through the degrading assessments knowing Its a no win
But iam going full out on this council robbery