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Having not paid Council tax since last August 2009 some very interesting facts have emerged. This information has been backed up by others who have uncovered the same routine, in which Councils act completely unlawfully.
After you decide not to pay Council, tax you will receive a ‘Summons’ to the local magistrates Court.
This appears to be a Summons issued by the Court. It bears a royal seal and is “signed” by the Clerk to the Justices for the petty sessional area of xxxx. It states:
“Complaint has this day been made before the undersigned by the London Borough of xxxx. You being a person liable to pay the Council tax and from whom payment of that tax has been duly demanded have not paid the sum as due below.”
“You are therefore Summonsed to appear before the magistrates at xxxx on xxxx at xxxx
“If you do not appear, you may be proceeded against as if you had appeared and dealt with according to the law”.
The first paragraph states that,
“complaint has been made before the undersigned.”
This looked immediately suspicious as the “signature” for Clerk to the Justices seemed to be deliberately deceptive as it was indecipherable, and photocopied onto the document (Part of the signature on this particular Summons was cut off) The other big problem being there was no name printed under the ‘signature.’
Having phoned both the Court and the Council and neither being able to tell me who signed the Summons I put in a freedom of information request to the Councils head of Governance and Law as to who was the acting Clerk to the Justices in the borough. The reply I got indicated that this person definitely did not sign the document. The Council were then instructed that the document was defective as it was not signed by a person known to the Court or the Council.
In the first Notice served on the Councils Head of Revenues and Benefits it was suggested that the Summons was defective. The Head of Revenues and Benefits replied:
“Summonses must be authorised by a Justice of The Peace or Clerk to the Justices and who’s signature appears on the Summons must have personally considered the complaint. As you now know this makes the Summons lawful and not defective as stated in your letter paragraph 5b.”
This is typical of the response from Councils, there is an over confident reply which is completely at odds with the facts. They also refer to Notices as ‘letters.’ There seems to be a cosy arrogance in all the correspondence, and if you nail them on anything they say its their ball and they are not playing! They are compartmentalised within their departments and seem to have no idea or no interest in what is really going on, those higher up the corporate ladder however must know.
Maybe some of my info did sink in as I Noticed that the job of Head of benefits and Revenues was recently being advertised in a local employment agency window!
Yes WE Summons you to Court
The next revelation was even better! It became clear that the Summons document was the same typeface and border as other Council documents. Yes, the Council issue their own Summonses! Now this has been confirmed as fact by Council staff. This is fraud and perjury under the 1911 Perjury Act and a crime under the Administration of Justice Act. Anyone except a Court issuing a document, that appears to be from a Court, is breaking the law.
This was pointed out in the next Notice to the Head of Benefits and Revenues but the reply came from someone else in the department. This seems to be the strategy when difficult questions arise – nobody takes responsibility. The reply stated,
“No further correspondence on the issues you have raised will be entered into.”
As far as the suggestion goes that the Council was guilty of fraud and perjury, their response was that they would defend themselves in Court and I would be liable for their costs if they won the case. This makes sense, as in the Borough I live the Court and town hall are on the same Council owned land. If your part of the corporation, everybody Wins!
It now appears that Councils all over the Country issue their own Summonses, they then hire a room in the Court for a ‘bulk hearing.’ The room is not part of the Court, as the Court are not involved (apart from financially). This has also been confirmed by people who work in the Court. As there is no due process being followed here, it would appear the whole procedure is a sham.
Issuing a Summons
If there is a case to be heard in the Court it has to be sent to the Court clerk (or Court manager at County Court) to consider, they then issue a Summons which is sent directly from the Court. As the Council issue the Summons it is not a Court matter, they just make it appear so by inviting (Summonsing) the person to the Court. As this is just a procedural matter for summary judgement (person already liable) and not of course a “hearing” it makes sense for them to do it themselves!
No Liability Order
The Council then state in the follow up documentation, ‘Notice of impending enforcement action’ or ‘Liability Order notification’ – this means a Liability Order was issued against the person, but it’s of course not possible as there was no Court. No Liability Order has been received from the Court by anybody I have met who has stopped paying Council tax. The reason for this is of course because there was no Court. Two corporations are involved, the Council who hire the room in the Court; and Court officials/staff in the Court who are paid by the Council. In many boroughs the Town Hall, Council buildings and Court are on the same land, owned by the Council.
This ‘Notice of impending enforcement action’ or ‘Liability Order notification’ is not a Liability Order. It also makes threats including making you bankrupt in the high Court with all assets frozen; being sent to prison; a charging Order put on your property; and then at the end of this diatribe, appointment of bailiffs. These documents are pretty generic in the different boroughs and presumably represent new powers given to local authorities – they are deliberately intimidating, but enforcing all this is of course a completely different matter.
A Liability Order has to be signed by the Judge or Magistrate and also sealed by Court. It is then sent to the person liable and also the Claimant. If the amount on the Order is not paid within the specified time then the Court can appoint bailiffs on behalf of the Claimant.
Debt collectors not Bailiffs
The Council although unable to produce a real Liability Order, then states that bailiffs have been appointed on behalf of the Council to recover the debt. This is of course impossible as there was no Court, so no bailiffs can be appointed, as they must have an Order from the Court that appointed them.
Bailiffs also have to be reregistered every two years; have an ID number; and give their full name, which can be verified by doing an Internet search. Debt collectors call themselves bailiffs and rely on peoples’ ignorance. Your birth certificate made you a ‘person’ who is ‘liable’ so ‘let he who will be deceived be deceived.’
The corporate nature of the Councils and Courts just means they pretend that bailiffs have been instructed, this is of course not possible so they appoint a debt collection agency who then send out ‘bailiff’ letters. These letters are very threatening in capital letters with a box stating ‘Removal of your goods’ or ‘Bailiff Removal.’
Bailiffs do have certain powers to collect debts, but debt collectors do not! (The powers given to bailiffs can be easily found on the Internet). Debt collectors do claim they are bailiffs and also send out documentation that is unlawful and completely unethical.
The problem with all these ‘bailiff’ letters that I have seen is that none of them bear the Bailiffs full name, certification number and Court Order reference, which of course they must have if they are issued by a bailiff.
This means of course that the debt collection agency is a third party interloper who has purchased or contracted with the Council for the Council tax debt offences. This means that the debt no longer has anything to do with the Council and the debt collector has no real power of enforcement action as a Court was not involved.
Ask your Council for a true copy of a Liability Order and see what happens, things could go VERY quiet.
Return to sender
If you want to have some fun look up the debt collection company on the companies house register and redirect all mail back to the Managing Director (after having served Notice on him or her with fee schedule attached) at their registered address and update your fee schedule on each new envelope that you return.
If you want to read what these computer printout ‘Notices’ say hold them up to a powerful light and you will see it all through the envelope. One thing is for sure, it won’t be signed by a bailiff with the relevant info. Another good idea is to let them know that your fees for handling their deceptive ‘bailiff’ letters will be collected by a debt collection agency! This has to be the next logical step, getting debt collectors onto the debt collectors and Councils.
The Councils only form of redress after this is to go to Court and put a Charging Order on your property if you ‘own’ it or try some other route like trying to get you into Court. If you ignore all this there seems to be little they can do, as they run out of ideas when the robotic paper trail stops. If you are on Benefits or in Council property refusing to pay Council tax, it may not be a good idea, as they can evict you or have Benefits stopped at source.
And finally for your delectation and delight… The unlawful Debtors Notice… Flatulence in contract is an offence.
Along with the document ‘Notice of impending enforcement action’ or ‘Liability Order notification’ the Council also include a ‘Notice’ to debtors, which makes threats and menaces. It also makes unlawful ‘demands’ for information on the reverse. There is also a quote from a local Councilor! The document states:
“It is an offence not to complete and return the enclosed financial information form”. xxxx xxxx Council are now taking legal action against customers who do not return their form fully completed. This legal action will result in a criminal conviction and fine of up to £1000.”
This is of course completely untrue. Other Boroughs just ‘request’ this information, my Council demand it as if it is the law. This ‘demand’ is of course never followed up. Information demanded includes National Ins number; name of employer; address of employer; date of birth; and all details of benefit claims etc. Then there’s part C that states you MUST fill it in. This demands name; email address; telephone number; and then of course you MUST sign it!
These threats are carried on at the bottom of the form saying,
“You will be committing a criminal offence if you do not give the above information and you can be fined up to £1000 pounds, as well as getting a criminal record. The same will happen if you give information that is not true.”
They also state that they would take legal action against anyone who did not fill the form in and that cases had been held in magistrates Court and the debtors receiving fines of £100 plus £85 costs. This is a bare faced lie!
Of course if you were unfortunate or gullible enough to fill in this badly worded junk mail they really have got you. If you filled it in and gave false information that would indeed be an offence. Fraudulence in contract IS an offence, but IGNORING an unlawful piece of paper is not!
One of the other many problems with the form is that the Council is known ONLY as LBWF and it was confirmed in writing that xxxx xxxx Council did not exist! Their corporate office stated this in a freedom of information request. I also included this in my Notice that demanding payment for an organisation which did not exist appeared to be fraudulent. This fact was of course ignored.
Having found out the name of the Council solicitor who put this rubbish together, I stated this would be investigated. Having served Notice on the Head of Governance and Law, (the top lawyer in the Borough), I can say from experience these people do not know how to do their jobs or even know the law, and they just seem to break it when it suits them.
In short there is a lot of noise and threats made which are just hot air in order to scare the public into paying off the banks and the national debt!
For anyone who saw the film “Councils, Courts and Conmen” on YouTube the Order at the end of the film was not a Liability Order, just the amount of liable persons who were ‘Summoned’ to the Court. There was no name on the Order, it was simpler just to make the point that the ‘liability’ was established before the hearing, and of course they had to book Court number 1 because 14 witnesses turned up! This appears to be just part of the huge corporate scam that Councils are involved in. There is much more we have uncovered and will post in due course.
Well that’s the end of the paper trail for now. However, when there is a registered PERSON at your address, you know there is bound to be more!
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Iam fighting it all the way..Debt collection want £2000 for past ten years
council tax…With £67 one year £154 another year £88 for another yr
and added costs..Which amounts up to..£1780…
And have to pay in 14 days…Couldn’t pay £14 ..
Boyfriend on low wage and iam disabled with no benefits
Iam not paying and will use this information ..In Council
Court…Will not accept any kind of payment agreement..Looks
Like iam talking to Magistrate…Let’s hope they walk out
When I ask for oath of office sitting on my Arse.
Evening, just some food for thought,
its come to my attention the Data Protection act was changed last year and already a few large corps have been fined heavily for passing information onto third parties without consent.
Therefore am i right to believe that by courts or councils passing your info onto Debt collectors they are in breach of the Data Protection act.
regards
Hi, I just ignore all my councils letters now, I dont even bother opening them or sending them back…..just go straight in the bin 🙂
How I “see” it is they can charge, demand, bill, notify, contract, make threats, employ dent collectors etc but I have little in possesions no job no prospects thanks to immigration and education so what habe I actually got to lose? I have no kids no one wanted to marry me so never needed a car or needed a mortgage….basically I dont care anymore, they can kill the goose that lays the golden egg and kill the “cattle” they see us all as but once we are gone they have nothing either.
Read “the scorpion and the frog” and remember what one of the things Jesus Christ was brought before his accussers for?
God gave us trees which produce food for us and do not charge anything….if anything the more care you apply to the tree the more it produces….
Think long and hard about Money….get a concordance to mine the good book and see for yourself where money takes you.
Commandments = non negotiable.
Ask the court prosecusion how they expect to avoid judgement from the father.
What if I agreed to pay a weekly sum but then decided to not pay? Can they take a legal action against me?
Let me tell you as well that I have been done in by a “friend” and I have paid a council tax where I actually lived.
Guys, Gals, I’m in the same situation with Council Tax, I paid nothing on the premise I wasn’t given any paperwork to pay it, simply I was summoned to magistrates court which I was out of the country for, so when I 0honed the out they informs me the council had rented out a room… and it wasn’t a true summons… long story short after the ‘business meeting’ I received a final notice to pay council tax, not sure what happened with request/demand 1 2 or 3, or for that matter a statement to state how much was being demanded … I don’tknow how much is owed… but now I have so called baliffs/debt collectors pestering me under a liability order… I need help… I need someone to reassure me this can be delay with.. without any bad things occurring. .. I know common law is the way I wanna go and I’m au-feit with legal and lawful, but this council tax is a mine field: I phoned the magistrates who deal with criminal matters; their words, and as council tax is a civil matter I’d need to contact the county court: who deal with civil matters. Neither of them could help me, and could not tell me which form I needed to squash the illegal and unlawful demand by the region business that is the local council… my concern is I’ve got so called baliffs/debt collectors coming to the house .. we’ve fended them off once but only as8nwas off work.. the wife wwouldn’t know what to do.. and probably would be coaxed to let them in or worse they’d force their way in.. with 2 little ones in the house it’s a nightmare scenario playing out in my head. ..
I need advice and some who can inform me of what I need to do, to stop all of this, I’m based in Coventry (I wasn’t sent), I need help advice guidance.. I’d love to meet up with like minded individuals and gain an insight further… I’m pretty desperate … please contact me to correspond urgently: 67bce9fe (at) opayq (dot) com
Your comment about being evicted if you don’t pay your council tax in a council property is wrong. You can NOT be evicted from any council house for not paying your council tax you can only be evicted for non payment of rent only
thank you, your information is great knowledge. I was wondering how con the council evict for non-payment of council tax James Johnson thankyou.
I pay nothing and ignore letters, i see them as junk mail, no real signature means fake.
Dont pay guys, its one big scam, it is not a crime but a contract, dont accept it, done.
Hi there, first of all I’d like to thank you for your useful information. I received a number of letters in one envelope at my correspondence address stating ” NOTICE OF COMMITTAL OR BANKRUPTCY ACTION schedule 12 procedure TCE Act 2007 (Taking Control of Goods Regulations 2013) supposed Council Tax arrears dating back 2005. It also states the council will instruct a warrant for my arrest if not paid in 7 days.
Your advise would be highly appreciated as to what steps to take. I do not believe I even owe as much as they state.
Just a few weeks ago I had received a letter from housing benefit saying they had for it wrong about an overpayment over over a thousand pound that they wanted back from me to then say I owed much less.
I do not trust what they say.
Please can you help
Kind regards
Saf
Hi all I’ve got a problem with council tax I’ve been on benefits since 2002 after having a hip replacement and then a second and third after a metal to metal hip caused problems also a full knee replacement anyway during this time I have filled in council tax forms and sent them in sometimes twice and even three times in a year only to be summoned to court for none payment even though I didn’t have to pay due to being on esa which ment that it should have been paid by government making up the shortfall, and every time I went to court I was never given any proof of being there, well it has now come to the council making me bankrupt for a debt of £5000 now the property that I lived in was owned by myself which is now in the process of being sold, but what started out as a £5000 debt has turned into a £55,000 debt so far with more to come ! Now was it legal for the council to make me bankrupt or have they gone to far in doing so, all replies gratefully received.
My husband got a demand for CT for *67.30 which is actually £27.30 which is then added to by ridiculous fake charges and panicking because he read in paper about pensioners going to jail for none payment of council tax.
I told him rubbish. I demanded an explanation from drones at council, no response, just another letter, before the 14 days to respond is up, now we have 28 days and a form. I have taken over as he was panicking. He has had cancer and we both have ill health and I have mental health problems.
We are not filling in form but I will pay £27.30 in January as this is all we owe. The money was paid once before but returned to our account as Council suspended our CTS and suspension on our account. We had to send new benefit details. They returned our documents but nothing else. This is why we owe this £27.30. I am not paying liability fee as we know nothing about it. I have paid CL for years until we didn’t have to. Now suddenly we have to start now. We are very confused. Also as my husband was in a coma his memory is poor so he signed for them to send letters to me but they are sending to him.
I have told him his rights but he was frightened by what he read in the papers. I am not well either. How do I get these thieves to fuck off?
I moved into my house 4 years ago i rang council they said they wus send me paperwork but neva did and ive never paid any counxil tax in 4 years do i ring them or leave it.
When all is said and done there is nothing they can do to extort money from me anymore!
I have no communication with the local council my neck of the woods.
I do not reply or respond to the legal fiction nor do I consent to be defined as anything they say I am ie resident or occupant. I simply do not recognise who they try to summon..(the dead).
I do not answer to them or open my front door to invite them in and they are desperate to hook me up to attend meetings to discuss how I should change my mind.
There is nothing they can do!
I do not own my own home (no mortgage), no car to confiscate and hold to ransom against a job because I have no “job” because I dont wish to pay extortion charges on my efforts, I DO NOT CLAIM to be a legal fiction so I do not use a NI number, I avoid the NHS as they seek to poison me, I work fulltime to help people and work to feed and cloth myself only so no expensive possesions or hoarding false riches, I am a lawabider and not a criminal, I love my neighbors like I love myself and I am happy to not have to live in fear of parasites who claim my efforts as there own!
The main reason I have avoided prison thus far is I do not cleave to their fear tactics.
I treat them like they are….tax collectors!
There is NO LAW passed down from the creator that states I have to IMPERSONATE or ACT as a legal fiction or just because my mum and dad foolishly INFORMED the state of my application to join satans society by issuing me with a birth certificate is void anyway, I did not agree to it did I? How many babies do you know that can weigh up such a decision to be included in a society that will poison you inside and out, steal from you like a playground bully from cradle to grave? This is why they get your parents to become INFORMANTS (look at the terminology on the birtg certificate!).
Say NO
NO is a non-negotiable word.
Use it!
Hi All
AJ im in a similar situation to you
Was paying council tax until apr 2019. realised its all bs. stopped paying.
sent me court summons. didn’t go. now had info demanding £1300 from me and Liability order in place. I could deal with these arseholes but my wife is at home with my baby and she feels threatened by the thought of this
thought about just paying the arseholes, but out of principle don’t want to
need expert advice asap
many thanks
I read all this, but I now have an Attachment of Earnings order. At the top it states ‘Regulation 27 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992’.
This will, basically, make me homeless as I cannot afford to pay this and my rent, bills, maintenance, transport to work, food etc. I barely scrape by as it is.
What could I do, if anything, about this?
Had any one got a council tax notification we can send ?
I’m due to move into a property and I’m very compelled by what I’ve read.
So am I clear in the fact if I do not agree/sign the council tax paperwork they cant touch me?
If you agreed to council tax at a previous property, does this ultimately mean you have agreed to the act and so can be held liable even though its a new agreement for a new property ? I’m very keen to avoid paying council scum any money and would like some very direct advice about this