Comments on: Toolbox: Stop taking the PCN

By: Not paying parking tickets & help with bailiffs | From Debt To Wealth

Not paying parking tickets & help with bailiffs | From Debt To Wealth — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:37:20 +0000

[...] the basis that it is not legally enforceable (download my letter here…..kindly borrowed from Lawful Rebellion’s [...]

By: Johno

Johno — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:28:02 +0000

I got a PCN from a mob called “Parking Enforcement” for overstaying in a Coop carpark by 20 minutes one evening. These guys are a scam. The notice is unenforcable for several reasons. 1. No contract as discussed elsewhere, 2. The PCN was sent to the Owner and not the driver (you are under no obligation to state who was driving. The letters then came at roughly monthly intervals, the fine increased and dire warnings of the effect on my credit rating were included.
I ignored all correspondence from them and from their “collection agency” (probably the next desk along in the office).
Note that noone can obtain a county court judgement against you without you being summonsed to answer to the court and only a CCJ can effect your credit rating.
After about 4 months they gave up. To my certain knowledge they have never taken anyone to court as they know they cannot win.

Just type “Parkiing Enforcement” into Google – there are hundreds of interesting threads

Cheers

Johno

By: adams

adams — Sat, 08 May 2010 09:28:17 +0000

I’m loving this. Hahaha.

I’m type of guy, will go all the way and not let fear get me. Even if they write “right eviction, 5,000 pay next time dude.”

I can see where most may do a bit and suddenly get fear in mind. That’s all they try and get people with. Going to read more of your articles. They brill!

By: fraser

fraser — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:48:10 +0000

I have won a PCN in the past “contervention code 83″ a few weeks ago we recieved another parking ticket, no problem I thought, I’ll just type up the old letter and send it off recorded. But looking on the new parking ticket they’ve issued I have to post it to a PO Box address!! Sneaky!! So I can’t send it recorded delivery… Any answers on how to deal with this slight problem?

By: ian

ian — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 20:18:00 +0000

hi guys.
great site, not sure if i have discovered it too late for me or not. i have already appealed a PCN, and been refused. it has come back at £120 saying that i did not appeal in time. this is rubbish. but what i want to know is, can i still do as you suggest with the affidavit or R4C? regards ian

By: Jamie

Jamie — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:25:09 +0000

In reply to Jacob’s message, I sent my notice to provide drivers details back & heard nothing back for 3 months when a Police man turned up at the door and gave my mum a letter which was the original notice for drivers details (dated the original date). The envelope did not have a return address (oh how convenient).
I typed up a notice of conditional acceptance asking for the corpus delicti, to prove that I am a member of society & a person.

By: David Ophalus

David Ophalus — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:22:34 +0000

jacob – it depends how determined you are with it all. but there is some truth in that when you send it back within 3 days it is difficult to process for them. you’re right, once enough people do it then we should see more victories.

By: Jacob

Jacob — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:30:18 +0000

It seems after using the “No Contract – Return to Sender” process, you get a summons after about 4-5 months of returning the notices. If you use the same process with that, you get a letter from the DVLA saying you have been convicted and you must return your licence otherwise your driving privilages will be withdrawn. So what happens next if you use the same process? What can they do, if everyone does this? We cant all go to jail for sticking up for our rights and standing up to tyranny can they?

By: Reapstar

Reapstar — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:59:58 +0000

Wow… lots of help here from the “experts”.

Why do I have to contract with entities of a fictitious nature whatsoever?

Why does ignoring something of no substance cause me undue grief?

IF I as a sovereign do not have to contract by choice, why do I still have to contract to save myself from the consequences of ignoring their fictions?

What I suggested previously, i.e. conditional acceptance and charging “admin fee’s for processing their fictions seems like a suitable course of action given the circumstances?

How many times have you heard companies/corporations mention the need to charge admin fees for doing the job they are already being paid to do?

Surely there is someone educated enough on this forum to offer advice and guidance with regard to my truth which is, I accept your bs but I charge for the inconvenience of it all.

Anyone??

Or have I just not understood what I am supposed to be understanding?

Thank you in advance for your kind and prompt attention to this matter, I appreciate any and all help.

Howard

By: John Edwards

John Edwards — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:23:26 +0000

Hi All,

Does Rob’s post re: refused for cause apply to penalty charge notices stuck to the windscreen of a car? Jamie’s post seems to say it doesn’t but Rob’s does.

Does anyone know if Rob’s advice to write ‘r4c, without dishonour, without prejudice, without recourse’ onto the pcn works if it was affixed to my windscreen?

Thanks.